If you ever find you and me in the situation where I've initiated physical contact with you, I've over-powered you, I'm on top of you, and I'm smashing your head into the concrete, you have my permission to shoot me.
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If you ever find you and me in the situation where I've initiated physical contact with you, I've over-powered you, I'm on top of you, and I'm smashing your head into the concrete, you have my permission to shoot me.
This article shows pictures that I hadn't seen before. One clearly shows protesters on the the lawn, another shows her pointing the handgun directly at a protester, and another maybe? shows a protester with a firearm drawn(far right side of the picture, gun has a camera mounted on it)
Yes, they have the right to protect themselves and their property but did so in very poor fashion.
Photos: Central West End couple display guns during protest | Pictures | stltoday.com
Yes, they have the right to protect themselves and their property but did so in very poor fashion.
Photos: Central West End couple display guns during protest | Pictures | stltoday.com
Broken gate, from private property side (reversed prospective from
mob entry pic, above).
Yes, very good. Now, watch the video linked below where you can clearly see the gate is intact as protesters walk through it. My point, as this video confirms, is that the claims being offered by some that the couple saw property being damaged then confronted the protesters, is demonstrably false. The gate was still intact when the couple armed themselves and went back outside.
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Being served a search warrant and having your property seized is most definitely a presumption of criminal liability.
Still amazed at your insinuation that people who carry guns for self defense are screwups.
Absalom
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That's a generalization completely unsupported by anything I said. But if someone vigorously defends a screwup, that conclusion might be justified.
The problem is the opposite: the suggestion made earlier that "gun people" should never condemn folks for something they do with guns. I firmly believe the opposite.
Your assertion that it was a scewup doesn't make it so. The jury felt otherwise.
I would be intimidated and worried if several hundred protesters were marching in front of my house. Across the country there have been several incidents of burning and looting in major cities. No I have no link for this statement.
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I once served on a jury for a sexual battery case. We found the defendant innocent because the prosecutor did not prove their case. To a person, everyone in the jury wanted to find that man guilty of being an idiot and a screw up. Unfortunately that wasn't what he was charged with.
These two drama queens got their 15 minutes of
fame.....just not how they expected.
However, I see NO Probable Cause to issue a
search warrant....none.
fame.....just not how they expected.
However, I see NO Probable Cause to issue a
search warrant....none.
It would be nice if some here would show some respect to the two officers killed in TX as they have these "protestors".
OK, I did say Maybe.
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Your detached objectivity is refreshing.
Actually...any one ever employing deadly force
has a enormous opportunity to "screw up". It's not something
to be taken lightly, in any sense. Even with what we might
consider the "best of all possible outcomes" (say, no
criminal charges or acquital, no civil judgement) the possible
price levied in non-legal venues can be severe.
The media, and court of public opinion among low-information
citizenry, can unrelentingly cling to misinformation.
In considering what the private property couple didn't do, in
the heat--and frame of mind--of the moment, one might find
a less condemnatory view of their actions.
Your detached objectivity is refreshing.
Actually...any one ever employing deadly force
has a enormous opportunity to "screw up". It's not something
to be taken lightly, in any sense. Even with what we might
consider the "best of all possible outcomes" (say, no
criminal charges or acquital, no civil judgement) the possible
price levied in non-legal venues can be severe.
The media, and court of public opinion among low-information
citizenry, can unrelentingly cling to misinformation.
In considering what the private property couple didn't do, in
the heat--and frame of mind--of the moment, one might find
a less condemnatory view of their actions.
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JcMack
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I see months worth of rioters the left bending media calls protestors on my TV marching down the streets of rich and poor alike destroying every thing in their wake. I think as a man or woman who works for a living and has an investment in his property and neighborhood I may display some animosity when rioters approach my home. My home is not a Gov. building or statue or whatever else seems to drive these morons to insanity, it's my home. I'm sure the fella with the AR and the mayor in question feel the same.
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At least in North Carolina a search warrant is only issued to search and seize evidence of a crime OR to search a premise for a person for whom a warrant for arrest has been issued.
From the NC Search Warrant Form:
"I, the undersigned, find that there is probable cause to believe that the property and person described in the application on the reverse side and related to the commission of a crime is located as described in the application."
It does indeed appear that both gate panels are intact, at the
point of that video. As to any timeline on what happens
afterward, is conjecture and assumption--video's easy to edit.
There's an obvious break in vid (along with huge change in
video resolution) between the time that husband is on end
of house, distant from protesters, to footage where he and
wife are standing at front (?) of house, much closer to
protesters.
Protestors walk casually thru open left side of gate. Cane bolt
on right panel appears set into sidewalk.
The still-shot of gate (presumably sometime after the vid,
since there's more people inside) shows upper portion of
right gate panel missing, suggesting it was damaged between
time of video and time of still-shot.
The "day after" shot of the gate shows upper half of the
damaged panel bent inward (towards private property side)
and downward, below horizontal.
Was the right panel damaged when increasing numbers of
protesters attempted to pass through gate? Instead of
lifting the cane bolt, did they press the upper portion,
causing the damage, and in the process, increase the
perception of threat to homeowners?
Did husband & wife move from end of house, to front (closer
to protesters), after seeing them damage the right gate panel?
Lot's of questions.
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Just a thought about what is legal and what is prudent. I am a big
believer in the 2nd, I have said many times that I should not have to
have a Govt. permit to carry concealed even though I do have one.
It is legal to open or conceal in Arkansas without a permit but should
I stand out by my gate and hold guns at the ready when people drive
or walk by my place?
It is legal to walk down any road or street in the dead of night with
a fist full of 20 dollar bills waving around. But should I?
Both of these acts would be legal but would a prudent person do so?
believer in the 2nd, I have said many times that I should not have to
have a Govt. permit to carry concealed even though I do have one.
It is legal to open or conceal in Arkansas without a permit but should
I stand out by my gate and hold guns at the ready when people drive
or walk by my place?
It is legal to walk down any road or street in the dead of night with
a fist full of 20 dollar bills waving around. But should I?
Both of these acts would be legal but would a prudent person do so?
All I know, is if my weapons were removed from my house and
the news leaked this to the populatin..........and then was attacked with no protection.................
The Police, City members and News had better have deep pockets.
the news leaked this to the populatin..........and then was attacked with no protection.................
The Police, City members and News had better have deep pockets.
This weekend I was almost hit by someone driving a Toyota SUV. Therefor all Toyota SUV drivers are incompetent.
I don't put any but after the 2A.
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