It would be nice if some here would show some respect to the two officers killed in TX as they have these "protestors".
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OK, I did say Maybe.
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Your detached objectivity is refreshing.
Actually...any one ever employing deadly force
has a enormous opportunity to "screw up". It's not something
to be taken lightly, in any sense. Even with what we might
consider the "best of all possible outcomes" (say, no
criminal charges or acquital, no civil judgement) the possible
price levied in non-legal venues can be severe.
The media, and court of public opinion among low-information
citizenry, can unrelentingly cling to misinformation.
In considering what the private property couple didn't do, in
the heat--and frame of mind--of the moment, one might find
a less condemnatory view of their actions.
Your detached objectivity is refreshing.
Actually...any one ever employing deadly force
has a enormous opportunity to "screw up". It's not something
to be taken lightly, in any sense. Even with what we might
consider the "best of all possible outcomes" (say, no
criminal charges or acquital, no civil judgement) the possible
price levied in non-legal venues can be severe.
The media, and court of public opinion among low-information
citizenry, can unrelentingly cling to misinformation.
In considering what the private property couple didn't do, in
the heat--and frame of mind--of the moment, one might find
a less condemnatory view of their actions.
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JcMack
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I see months worth of rioters the left bending media calls protestors on my TV marching down the streets of rich and poor alike destroying every thing in their wake. I think as a man or woman who works for a living and has an investment in his property and neighborhood I may display some animosity when rioters approach my home. My home is not a Gov. building or statue or whatever else seems to drive these morons to insanity, it's my home. I'm sure the fella with the AR and the mayor in question feel the same.
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At least in North Carolina a search warrant is only issued to search and seize evidence of a crime OR to search a premise for a person for whom a warrant for arrest has been issued.
From the NC Search Warrant Form:
"I, the undersigned, find that there is probable cause to believe that the property and person described in the application on the reverse side and related to the commission of a crime is located as described in the application."
It does indeed appear that both gate panels are intact, at the
point of that video. As to any timeline on what happens
afterward, is conjecture and assumption--video's easy to edit.
There's an obvious break in vid (along with huge change in
video resolution) between the time that husband is on end
of house, distant from protesters, to footage where he and
wife are standing at front (?) of house, much closer to
protesters.
Protestors walk casually thru open left side of gate. Cane bolt
on right panel appears set into sidewalk.
The still-shot of gate (presumably sometime after the vid,
since there's more people inside) shows upper portion of
right gate panel missing, suggesting it was damaged between
time of video and time of still-shot.
The "day after" shot of the gate shows upper half of the
damaged panel bent inward (towards private property side)
and downward, below horizontal.
Was the right panel damaged when increasing numbers of
protesters attempted to pass through gate? Instead of
lifting the cane bolt, did they press the upper portion,
causing the damage, and in the process, increase the
perception of threat to homeowners?
Did husband & wife move from end of house, to front (closer
to protesters), after seeing them damage the right gate panel?
Lot's of questions.
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Just a thought about what is legal and what is prudent. I am a big
believer in the 2nd, I have said many times that I should not have to
have a Govt. permit to carry concealed even though I do have one.
It is legal to open or conceal in Arkansas without a permit but should
I stand out by my gate and hold guns at the ready when people drive
or walk by my place?
It is legal to walk down any road or street in the dead of night with
a fist full of 20 dollar bills waving around. But should I?
Both of these acts would be legal but would a prudent person do so?
believer in the 2nd, I have said many times that I should not have to
have a Govt. permit to carry concealed even though I do have one.
It is legal to open or conceal in Arkansas without a permit but should
I stand out by my gate and hold guns at the ready when people drive
or walk by my place?
It is legal to walk down any road or street in the dead of night with
a fist full of 20 dollar bills waving around. But should I?
Both of these acts would be legal but would a prudent person do so?
All I know, is if my weapons were removed from my house and
the news leaked this to the populatin..........and then was attacked with no protection.................
The Police, City members and News had better have deep pockets.
the news leaked this to the populatin..........and then was attacked with no protection.................
The Police, City members and News had better have deep pockets.
This weekend I was almost hit by someone driving a Toyota SUV. Therefor all Toyota SUV drivers are incompetent.
I don't put any but after the 2A.
Strawman.
Of course we are sad and disheartened at the needless loss of the two officers life. It's devastating.
But it also has nothing to do with this thread.
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Interesting how this story keeps changing and now it seems these two are
the neighborhood "cranks".
Gun people will criticize others for careless and improper gun handling.
We criticize each other don't we ?
On another board someone said this a good argument for something inexpensive. Like a Hi-Point. Yes, we "experts" scoff at them as cheap, junk-Saturday Night Specials anyone ? But many will testify that they are reliable and when it has to be taken in as "evidence", it hurts less than losing that prized AR.
the neighborhood "cranks".
Gun people will criticize others for careless and improper gun handling.
We criticize each other don't we ?
On another board someone said this a good argument for something inexpensive. Like a Hi-Point. Yes, we "experts" scoff at them as cheap, junk-Saturday Night Specials anyone ? But many will testify that they are reliable and when it has to be taken in as "evidence", it hurts less than losing that prized AR.
Not everyone here is...not by a long shot.
Regarding the homeowners, has anyone ever seen firearms waved around more carelessly? At one point the wife has to reach down and push aside the AR barrel being pointed directly into her side by her husband. And the wife? Finger on the trigger, handgun twisting all over the place as she wiggles it at the protestors, hand on hip. Stunning display of handling idiocy.
Seriously?
How did we get from discussing two idiots waving guns around in an unsafe manner, and whether there was justification in them getting their weapons taken from them.... to people on here (many ?) not being upset at the loss of two officers losing their life's protecting us? I've been wrong many times before, but that's a crazy assertion that I'm not sure I believe. If true, they are no friends of mine.
Yes, seriously. Did you see the post from Minnesota in the 911 monument vandalism thread? Its gone now...thank God.
I see Zimmerman being pulled into this argument. I'd like to add to the confusion. Remember a few years ago when Starbucks announced they would allow open carry in their stores where legal? One day later some bonehead shows up for his latte (sp?) carrying a loaded shotgun.
Point I want to make whether or not you justify anyones motive, these three Stooges aren't good for our cause for maintaining safe and legal gun ownership. Antis' jump all over this.
Point I want to make whether or not you justify anyones motive, these three Stooges aren't good for our cause for maintaining safe and legal gun ownership. Antis' jump all over this.
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Two important points:
The mayor doesn't live on that street and that street is not "on the way" to the mayor's house.
That gate (Kingshighway) is typically chain locked as well as the gates on the other side (Union Blvd) of Portland Place. The only access (entry and exit) to those two private streets is off Lindell. Just walking onto and out of those streets ain't a thing.
The houses are amazing though and there's a hardcover that details the history of those two streets that is entertaining. The $200,000 slate roof, five furnaces/AC units and $500/month HOA ultimately turned us off from potentially buying there. It's like buying a European sports car. You may be able to handle the purchase price but you can't handle the maintenance.
The mayor doesn't live on that street and that street is not "on the way" to the mayor's house.
That gate (Kingshighway) is typically chain locked as well as the gates on the other side (Union Blvd) of Portland Place. The only access (entry and exit) to those two private streets is off Lindell. Just walking onto and out of those streets ain't a thing.
The houses are amazing though and there's a hardcover that details the history of those two streets that is entertaining. The $200,000 slate roof, five furnaces/AC units and $500/month HOA ultimately turned us off from potentially buying there. It's like buying a European sports car. You may be able to handle the purchase price but you can't handle the maintenance.
Glad I don't live there. Sheriff here wouldn't even come around for some guy on his own property with a gun even if he was twirling it in the air. If I set a tripod mounted M60 up on my front porch, he would just say its my porch and my M60 until I pulled the trigger.
Here is a quote from McCloskey in a news report this morning:
"The way I view it is, when you have certain elements of society encouraging violence, [and] at the same time asking the police to stand down, what's the only possible result?" McCloskey responded. "The only possible solution is for individual citizens to stand up to defend themselves, and I'm afraid what's being promoted is causing citizens to stand up and defend themselves so they can be chilled and abused the way we have been."
About sums it up nicely for me. What we need during these tumultuous times is a lot more McCloskeys, and a lot less gun forum arm chair quarterbacks condemning them due to their gun handling skills.
"The way I view it is, when you have certain elements of society encouraging violence, [and] at the same time asking the police to stand down, what's the only possible result?" McCloskey responded. "The only possible solution is for individual citizens to stand up to defend themselves, and I'm afraid what's being promoted is causing citizens to stand up and defend themselves so they can be chilled and abused the way we have been."
About sums it up nicely for me. What we need during these tumultuous times is a lot more McCloskeys, and a lot less gun forum arm chair quarterbacks condemning them due to their gun handling skills.
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Who took the video?
How many videos are there?
How many videos are there?
What's murky?
I've seen and heard this story often. The fact this "peacefully assembled group of protesters" entered this gated community by tearing down the gates seems quite threatening and intimidating to me. This felonious entry and gate destruction is almost never mentioned and never shown as a video. Were these homeowners supposed to cower in their home awaiting the forced entry or burning of their residence. There seemed ample time for the local police to show up and protect them . . . but they did not. To me, what they did seemed more than proper.
They weren't defending themselves or anything else from any angry mob, they were brandishing guns completely unnecessarily at protesters walking past their house on the way to the mayor's house.
The legal situation is apparently murky, and their lawyer is in discussions with the DA. But it's clowns like this who do more damage to the reputation of responsible gun owners and are a bigger threat to our 2nd Amendment rights than anti-gunners.
I've seen and heard this story often. The fact this "peacefully assembled group of protesters" entered this gated community by tearing down the gates seems quite threatening and intimidating to me. This felonious entry and gate destruction is almost never mentioned and never shown as a video. Were these homeowners supposed to cower in their home awaiting the forced entry or burning of their residence. There seemed ample time for the local police to show up and protect them . . . but they did not. To me, what they did seemed more than proper.
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Knew of a young officer who drew
his pistol after being verbally abused
by a motorist who was quite
intimidating.
That rookie was admonished by a
senior officer who asked,
"So what was your next move after
drawing your gun?"
Brandishing a gun is usually not a
good idea. By the way, Missouri law
covers such an action by a private
citizen as potential "assault."
his pistol after being verbally abused
by a motorist who was quite
intimidating.
That rookie was admonished by a
senior officer who asked,
"So what was your next move after
drawing your gun?"
Brandishing a gun is usually not a
good idea. By the way, Missouri law
covers such an action by a private
citizen as potential "assault."
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As for the young officer, he likely just visited this website, where officers that were not prepared for the abusive motorist are memorialized.
Officer Down Memorial Page (ODMP)
Not by a long shot indeed.
Strawman ? Whatever.
that's funny considering many here who fawn over the "protestors" have nothing to say in the two threads posted about officers being slain.
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If they pointed.....
If they pointed their guns at people that weren't on their property, that would be foolish. I don't know the details, so who can say. Even so they could have been find, not have their protection taken away.
If they pointed their guns at people that weren't on their property, that would be foolish. I don't know the details, so who can say. Even so they could have been find, not have their protection taken away.
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I read an article today that 50 gun stores offered them a new AR-15.
Viral St. Louis Couple Received 50 Offers For New AR-15s After Guns Were Seized
Viral St. Louis Couple Received 50 Offers For New AR-15s After Guns Were Seized
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But it's clowns like this who do more damage to the reputation of responsible gun owners and are a bigger threat to our 2nd Amendment rights than anti-gunners.
I have to agree with your statement.
Can anyone say "Doofus"?
Personally, if there is going to be some shooting, I'll prefer cover or concealment. I'd have been inside looking out a dark window. When you found out I was there, you wouldn't know it for very long.
That they entered the neighborhood by tearing down the gates is an outright lie. I have debunked it upthread, with video.
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