DeathGrip
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Zimmerman was a genius just like these two. Just because you can don't mean you should. I don't consider either "Gun People".
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Zimmerman was a genius just like these two. Just because you can don't mean you should. I don't consider either "Gun People".
Jon651
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This couple may well have been the neighborhood jerks. They may well have brought suit against people for minor stuff. I may well have despised them myself if I had known them.
They still have a right to stand on their property with arms (keep and BEAR) and if need be defend their property.
They still have a right to stand on their property with arms (keep and BEAR) and if need be defend their property.
We all agree the couple displayed horrendously bad gun handling. But ... could it be argued that this gun handling was proper in the moment? No question they appeared more threatening by handling the guns as they did vs. if they simply had the guns at their sides pointed at the ground. Maybe given the new rules of society that day - that police would not respond, mobs were burning things, people were beaten in some places - that the property owners should be allowed to bend the laws to adapt to society's new rules for that day? Maybe they could argue more harm would have come to them if they followed the gun handling laws then by ignoring some laws that day.
No. Next question.
Yes, just like every other person in the neighborhood who didn't run out with guns and start threatening the protesters.
And note that the gate in this photo is open, but still intact. At some point, photos show the gate was damaged, but it's not clear how that happened. It is clear, however, that the gate was not broken as part of the initial entry onto the private street, so the claims being offered that the homeowners' reaction was in part a response to witnessing property damage are demonstrably false.
You were there?
Regardless of right or wrong, they deigned to use an evil gun.
The devil demands payment when he grants favors.
Here the devil is Soros and the DA is the one who sold her soul.
The devil will demand further payment as time progresses.
The devil demands payment when he grants favors.
Here the devil is Soros and the DA is the one who sold her soul.
The devil will demand further payment as time progresses.
Even better, I can evaluate objective evidence and utilize critical-thinking skills to derive demonstrably accurate conclusions.
keith44spl
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Time will tell.............
This is jest another example of the powers that be,
and how dare anyone resist the tyranny of their over
reach or the lawless violent movement of the anarchists.
Boys it's a coming, to a neighborhood near you,
maybe not today, but someday soon.
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This is jest another example of the powers that be,
and how dare anyone resist the tyranny of their over
reach or the lawless violent movement of the anarchists.
Boys it's a coming, to a neighborhood near you,
maybe not today, but someday soon.
.
Did you have all available objective evidence as you employed your superior critical-thinking skills?
Read up on Zimmerman, and you'll learn he knew what he
was doing.
He knew the house was an unoccupied foreclosure, that
juveniles had previously broken in to, and had parties
and even set fires in. Seeing an individual standing
under eave, against house, to stay out of rain at nite,
warranted attention.
Did he call police? Yes...and was walking back from
taking a look on next street, to tell dispatcher the right
street name, minutes after the initial contact had
ENDED. He even told dispatcher "he's gone" and didn't
know where he went. The second contact was initiated
by the decedent, with a blitz attack.
Does that even come close to narrative promoted by
media?
Your critical thinking tells you no other person in that community had a weapon at the ready?
Counselor, I must disagree
It is clear that left panel of gate (looking from public street side,
as in the pic) is opened fully, from the visible top portion.
The right panel (the damaged side) is not visible in the pic.
It is not clear, by any stretch, that the gate was not
damaged as part of the mob's entry onto private property.
You should know by now that conjecture, expressed as fact, removes any need to have actually witnessed the event.
Myself, given what I have read from the reports, will assume that a person living in that community might have reasonably felt threatened by a mob that broke down their gate and trespassed onto their property. Even if said person is a jerk.
I will wait until the experts who actually know the local law and live there complete their investigation before I declare them "unreasonable". Because, well, I wasn't there.
Both my sister and brother live in areas that saw protests. During the protests, a break in was attempted at a neighbor's house. The business district half a block away from my brother was looted. They were quite reasonably concerned.
If they did, they took the right self defense action by staying inside.... behind cover.
Standing out in the open like that, brandishing weapons in an unsafe manner, is not somebody whose first concern is self defense. They are lucky nobody decided to engage with them, because if they had they would have been the first to go down.
Absalom
SWCA Member, Absent Comrade
The only thing embarrassing is that ten years later there are still people obsessing over defending Zimmerman.
Sometime I think that one reason some folks are so desperately defending even the dumbest use of guns by anyone is that in the back of their minds they realize that if they ever draw their gun, there is a good chance they'll screw up too.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Zimmerman found not guilty?
Absalom
SWCA Member, Absent Comrade
So? The McCloskeys have not been found guilty of anything either. This thread is about stupid people doing stupid stuff with guns, not criminal liability.
If you ever find you and me in the situation where I've initiated physical contact with you, I've over-powered you, I'm on top of you, and I'm smashing your head into the concrete, you have my permission to shoot me.
This article shows pictures that I hadn't seen before. One clearly shows protesters on the the lawn, another shows her pointing the handgun directly at a protester, and another maybe? shows a protester with a firearm drawn(far right side of the picture, gun has a camera mounted on it)
Yes, they have the right to protect themselves and their property but did so in very poor fashion.
Photos: Central West End couple display guns during protest | Pictures | stltoday.com
Yes, they have the right to protect themselves and their property but did so in very poor fashion.
Photos: Central West End couple display guns during protest | Pictures | stltoday.com
Broken gate, from private property side (reversed prospective from
mob entry pic, above).
Yes, very good. Now, watch the video linked below where you can clearly see the gate is intact as protesters walk through it. My point, as this video confirms, is that the claims being offered by some that the couple saw property being damaged then confronted the protesters, is demonstrably false. The gate was still intact when the couple armed themselves and went back outside.
[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGDs835Lo9Y[/ame]
Being served a search warrant and having your property seized is most definitely a presumption of criminal liability.
Still amazed at your insinuation that people who carry guns for self defense are screwups.
Absalom
SWCA Member, Absent Comrade
That's a generalization completely unsupported by anything I said. But if someone vigorously defends a screwup, that conclusion might be justified.
The problem is the opposite: the suggestion made earlier that "gun people" should never condemn folks for something they do with guns. I firmly believe the opposite.
Your assertion that it was a scewup doesn't make it so. The jury felt otherwise.
I would be intimidated and worried if several hundred protesters were marching in front of my house. Across the country there have been several incidents of burning and looting in major cities. No I have no link for this statement.
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I once served on a jury for a sexual battery case. We found the defendant innocent because the prosecutor did not prove their case. To a person, everyone in the jury wanted to find that man guilty of being an idiot and a screw up. Unfortunately that wasn't what he was charged with.
These two drama queens got their 15 minutes of
fame.....just not how they expected.
However, I see NO Probable Cause to issue a
search warrant....none.
fame.....just not how they expected.
However, I see NO Probable Cause to issue a
search warrant....none.
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