bigggbbruce
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Can't have that now can we?
You might...do something.
Aren't there laws against something you might do..?
Unacceptable behavior - on several grounds.
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Aren't there laws against something you might do..?
I used watch the same do-gooders dump their agenda all over motorcycle forums. It was truly the same thing.
“Mercy me, ride a motorcycle after drinking a beer?”
Those who can, do, and don’t benefit from the preaching. Those who cannot and aren’t bright enough to figure it out end up as a grease spot.
Nobody is going to get saved from an evangelist in a motorcycle or gun forum.
Make sure to get ‘em all! Don’t forget how you should NEVER shoot someone else’s (gasp) reloads. Never pluck empties from your cylinder or you’ll eventually be found dead at a shootout with brass in your pocket. Make sure you get that magic talisman if you sell a gun! (your ludicrous bill of sale) Don’t ever flash your lights at a car with their lights off or that gang-banger wanna-be is going to use you as his initiation project.
Better advice for grown adults on a gun forum would be to add a descriptive title to your soapbox rant so all the mature folks that know how to survive as a human can skip it and not feel compelled to reply.
“Mercy me, ride a motorcycle after drinking a beer?”
Those who can, do, and don’t benefit from the preaching. Those who cannot and aren’t bright enough to figure it out end up as a grease spot.
Nobody is going to get saved from an evangelist in a motorcycle or gun forum.
Make sure to get ‘em all! Don’t forget how you should NEVER shoot someone else’s (gasp) reloads. Never pluck empties from your cylinder or you’ll eventually be found dead at a shootout with brass in your pocket. Make sure you get that magic talisman if you sell a gun! (your ludicrous bill of sale) Don’t ever flash your lights at a car with their lights off or that gang-banger wanna-be is going to use you as his initiation project.
Better advice for grown adults on a gun forum would be to add a descriptive title to your soapbox rant so all the mature folks that know how to survive as a human can skip it and not feel compelled to reply.
kbm6893
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I haven’t had a drink in 18 months. Just got tired of it, but who knows if I ever pick it up again? It’s possible. Haven’t sworn it off or taken the pledge.
When I was in Vice, the department had a rule. Two drinks maximum while undercover. Can’t order a coke at a bar and not draw attention. Of course, I was armed.
Use simple common sense, something too many people are lacking. Just like you can consume alcohol and still be legal to drive, so the same for a gun. Wanna have a beer with that burger at dinner? If your BAC is legal to drive it should be legal to carry.
The whole “I will not be disarmed” crowd needs to wake up. If you’re that insistent on being armed at all times, stay sober. I didn’t say don’t drink. Just stay within the legal limit to drive. Generally one drink an hour and your BAC is near zero. Two beers an hour (at least for me) keeps me under the impaired level to drive (I know it does, I’ve taken a breathalyzer after two beers in a hour. Not a DWI stop). Wanna go out and rip it up with the boys? Leave the gun at home and have fun. Guns and intoxication don’t mix. Your judgement is affected, your response time is affected, and your inhibitions are lowered.
There’s a difference between consuming alcohol and being impaired.
When I was in Vice, the department had a rule. Two drinks maximum while undercover. Can’t order a coke at a bar and not draw attention. Of course, I was armed.
Use simple common sense, something too many people are lacking. Just like you can consume alcohol and still be legal to drive, so the same for a gun. Wanna have a beer with that burger at dinner? If your BAC is legal to drive it should be legal to carry.
The whole “I will not be disarmed” crowd needs to wake up. If you’re that insistent on being armed at all times, stay sober. I didn’t say don’t drink. Just stay within the legal limit to drive. Generally one drink an hour and your BAC is near zero. Two beers an hour (at least for me) keeps me under the impaired level to drive (I know it does, I’ve taken a breathalyzer after two beers in a hour. Not a DWI stop). Wanna go out and rip it up with the boys? Leave the gun at home and have fun. Guns and intoxication don’t mix. Your judgement is affected, your response time is affected, and your inhibitions are lowered.
There’s a difference between consuming alcohol and being impaired.
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I used watch the same do-gooders dump their agenda all over motorcycle forums. It was truly the same thing.
“Mercy me, ride a motorcycle after drinking a beer?”
Those who can, do, and don’t benefit from the preaching. Those who cannot and aren’t bright enough to figure it out end up as a grease spot.
Nobody is going to get saved from an evangelist in a motorcycle or gun forum.
Make sure to get ‘em all! Don’t forget how you should NEVER shoot someone else’s (gasp) reloads. Never pluck empties from your cylinder or you’ll eventually be found dead at a shootout with brass in your pocket. Make sure you get that magic talisman if you sell a gun! (your ludicrous bill of sale) Don’t ever flash your lights at a car with their lights off or that gang-banger wanna-be is going to use you as his initiation project.
Better advice for grown adults on a gun forum would be to add a descriptive title to your soapbox rant so all the mature folks that know how to survive as a human can skip it and not feel compelled to reply.
Well stated!! I'm not interested in getting preached at by anyone about their morality and how anyone that doesn't agree is, let me quote "SHAME ON YOU". Save it for Facebook Doug.
Being half Asian and intolerant to alcohol, I find it a blessing.
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You are wrong.
Responsibly consuming alcohol whilst CCW MIGHT be unlawful in your state, but it absolutely is NOT unlawful in many parts of the country including every state in which I have lived.
And, telling people they must carry is every bit as bad as telling them they cannot carry. It is a personal decision to CCW...many do not want that duty/responsibility for myriad reasons.
Like others herein, I shall totally ignore your pontificating about my thinking and actions.
Be safe.
Responsibly consuming alcohol whilst CCW MIGHT be unlawful in your state, but it absolutely is NOT unlawful in many parts of the country including every state in which I have lived.
And, telling people they must carry is every bit as bad as telling them they cannot carry. It is a personal decision to CCW...many do not want that duty/responsibility for myriad reasons.
Like others herein, I shall totally ignore your pontificating about my thinking and actions.
Be safe.
I want to be careful how I say this because I'm not talking about anyone but ME but I can't imagine why anyone would consume alcohol unless they intend to get hammered. I mean, isn't that why alcohol exists?
I guess it's a good idea that I quit drinking.
I guess it's a good idea that I quit drinking.
Apparently your imagination is limited. I drink alcohol often with no intention of getting "hammered," as you say.
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Its all a matter of degree. For example:
* have a beer or glass of wine with dinner.
* go to a bar and drink with buddies
* go to a party and drink till you're hammered
* get fall down drunk and pass out
OTOH, smoking pot and driving or shooting is a different story. Pot should be made a criminal offense, not decriminalized.
Its all a matter of personal responsibility.
Oh, no....disregard that comment. I forgot responsibility has been made obsolete.
(also, its not intended to make you hammered unless you are an alcoholic and have no personal responsibility)
* have a beer or glass of wine with dinner.
* go to a bar and drink with buddies
* go to a party and drink till you're hammered
* get fall down drunk and pass out
OTOH, smoking pot and driving or shooting is a different story. Pot should be made a criminal offense, not decriminalized.
Its all a matter of personal responsibility.
Oh, no....disregard that comment. I forgot responsibility has been made obsolete.
(also, its not intended to make you hammered unless you are an alcoholic and have no personal responsibility)
I have spent a good chunk of my life in search of the perfect barstool. Most of those forays into the pubs were slow paced marathons. I would get a slight buzz going and then just maintain that.
I have only been truly "hammered" once and that was in '72 while overseas. I underestimated the effect that a bottle of Vat 69 and oppressive heat would have on me. I have been a beer guy ever since.
I don't carry in saloons but I have an LCP in my pocket while imbibing on my property. On the astronomically remote chance that I have to use it to defend myself on said property the last thing I will be thinking about afterwards is what is in my bloodstream.
Cheers.
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Haha yes, good idea that you quit drinking. My take on the purpose in drinking was very similar to what you posted... when I was between the ages of 18 and maybe 23.
Maturity, responsibility, experience. It was also around this time that I began to understand why car insurance rates dropped at the magical age of 25 and the ability to rent a car came at the same age.
And I’ve always heard that the only reason to own a gun is to kill people. I mean, isn’t that why guns exist . . . ?
Some people understand some people don't.
One of the reasons I've never seriously questioned my alcoholism and the primary reason I've never had a serious challenge staying sober is because I've never in my life considered having A drink. Every single time I ever drank alcohol I intended to get hammered. My defective alcoholic brain can't imagine any other reason to consume alcohol.
Even after 38 years of complete abstinence I'm reading some of you talking about having A drink at a BBQ and my brain simply doesn't comprehend why.
Don't try to explain it, you won't be able to and I really don't care. I really don't care if you want to get puking on your shoes drunk and carry a gun. It's none of my business
I just thought it was funny
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Exactly. What's the point of one drink - or even two?
I never liked the taste, other than beer, and alcohol-free beer tastes better without the alcohol.
I drank for the effects, and one or two never "got me there".
I for one am not for mixing guns and booze. but, I also don't see the problem with a couple drinks. where I do see the problem is that for a whole lot of drinkers a couple is going to end up being way more than 2. How many LEOs have heard "a couple", when they ask "had anything to drink" and the guy blows a .18?
I very seldom have a drink and I do not like the fact that I am prohibited from carrying where booze is served. I go out to a nice dinner with the wife and I can't carry even though I don't have any? Why? Because drunks have proven to the public time and again the do stupid stuff.
If you blow a .08 and are packing off to jail with you, away goes your right to carry. If your gun is locked in the trunk or inside a gun safe inside the cab your good to go in my book. Your packing and blow a .15 and your right to own a gun should go right along with your permit. If your driving 6 months in jail and no more driving EVER. You sir have proven yourself to be a moron.
What you do inside your house is Your business. Once you leave your property it becomes everyone. That said, if YOU cook off a round in your house and it hits some one other than an invader and your impaired that becomes Negligent homicide. YOU caused the bullet to leave YOUR house even if it exits in someone else's body.
I very seldom have a drink and I do not like the fact that I am prohibited from carrying where booze is served. I go out to a nice dinner with the wife and I can't carry even though I don't have any? Why? Because drunks have proven to the public time and again the do stupid stuff.
If you blow a .08 and are packing off to jail with you, away goes your right to carry. If your gun is locked in the trunk or inside a gun safe inside the cab your good to go in my book. Your packing and blow a .15 and your right to own a gun should go right along with your permit. If your driving 6 months in jail and no more driving EVER. You sir have proven yourself to be a moron.
What you do inside your house is Your business. Once you leave your property it becomes everyone. That said, if YOU cook off a round in your house and it hits some one other than an invader and your impaired that becomes Negligent homicide. YOU caused the bullet to leave YOUR house even if it exits in someone else's body.
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Baltimoreed11754
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To my thinking drinking/recreational drugs are the direct opposite of the main thought of a ccw mentality, situational awareness. Has less to do with pulling the trigger than being aware of what’s happening around you so you don’t have to pull the trigger. Anything that interferes with your cognitive ability is not good and opens the door to civil lawsuits even if you are not charged of a crime. Last time I was drunk was in 1972, havent drunk anything in 30 yrs, don’t miss it. I put the tobacco, medical costs and alcohol money to better use and bought Colts, Winchesters, Smiths etc.
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Look, I am not talking about some of the responsible stuff I have seen described here. I never was - reading is fundamental. Note that even u/c cops had a limit - there is a reason for that. At my size, 2 drinks with dinner over an hour is ... trivial. There is a decent chance that applies to the majority here. Fine - you are not the population who needs to think about this. Frankly, I'm also not concerned with those who responded from the other side - the AA members (and probably others) who have the relevant experience and mindset to survive and thrive with their disease.
Go take a look at the original note and read carefully about the description of the levels of impairment. As for being armed all the time, the overwhelming majority of my training and socialization is the same: never go unarmed if you have a choice. Many of my friends and most of my trainers have worked in high action places with very bad things happening daily, often many times a day. I have not, generally, but we don't get to make appointments for an emergency. Mayberry never existed. I still live a conflict filled life - but it is not in the streets because I too old for that. It's in helping my clients with important tasks and avoiding pitfalls, and once in a while going to cover criminal stuff. I do miss suppression hearings - it was fun to beat defense attorneys into a corner with their ignorance.
As for Facebook - nope. It is not consistent with my professional obligations and personal well-being. I don't have kids to monitor or grandkids to check on, so the incentives that others have have not taken me there.
I'm in Washington too, and what is pretty disturbing is that you can't carry into a bar or tavern. Period. Whether you drink or not. So, depending on WHERE they got drunk, they broke ANOTHER law, and could/should forfeit their concealed carry permit.
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