It's Official: Texas has achieved Third-World Status

I firmly believe we can built safe nuke plants. First they all need to be built on the same design. Then you will end up with a huge pool of knowledge on that design, If a problem is discovered in one plant you can check or upgrade it in all the others. Has worked for the US navy for a long time now. I don't care if it is coal, nuke, gas, solar, wind or a pixie dust machine the key to continuous SAFE operation is good maintenance and inspections.

Agreed. Standardization is key. The Russians leaned that with the VVER series and the Koreans as well. Building 100 "one-off" plants is not cost efficient.

That said, Light Water Reactors(LWR) are not the best choice for powerplants. They're great on boats, which is why Rickover settled on that design, but they don't scale well. The reason they took off with the utility companies was really due to Rickover with the Shippingport build.

Interestingly, the first nuclear generated electricity wasn't from a LWR, but a fast reactor. EBR I.
Experimental Breeder Reactor-I (EBR-I) - INL
 
I saw on television this morning that 93% of the power in Texas is from fossil fuel. Oh well, probably fake news! On a side note, I remember some snarky comments from some Texas members this past summer when I was working My wood pile. Tell you what, it feels pretty good right now!
 

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I am no fan of wind power, but wind turbines in Minnesota are working just fine at lows of -35F for almost 3 weeks now. It is possible to outfit wind turbines with the equipment and lubricants capable of working at those temperatures. I guess that Texas did not anticipate low temperature operating conditions would happen.
 
I read a bit of an article on this today which said that the problem is caused by Texas making cheap price a priority over reliability.

...When it gets really cold, it can be hard to produce electricity, as customers in Texas and neighboring states are finding out. But it's not impossible. Operators in Alaska, Canada, Maine, Norway and Siberia do it all the time.
What has sent Texas reeling is not an engineering problem, nor is it the frozen wind turbines blamed by prominent Republicans. It is a financial structure for power generation that offers no incentives to power plant operators to prepare for winter. In the name of deregulation and free markets, critics say, Texas has created an electric grid that puts an emphasis on cheap prices over reliable service.
It's a "Wild West market design based only on short-run prices," said Matt Breidert, a portfolio manager at a firm called TortoiseEcofin.
And yet the temporary train wreck of that market Monday and Tuesday has seen the wholesale price of electricity in Houston go from $22 a megawatt-hour to about $9,000. Meanwhile, 4 million Texas households have been without power....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2021/02/16/ercot-texas-electric-grid-failure/

One of my sons, who worked for a while for a company whose business involved predicting the electric power market 24 hours in the future, told me that Texas was by far the worst grid operator for forecasting.
 
The UK Douneray (spelling) is a fast breeder reactor that has been functioning for many years without major problems. However there is one centralized nuclear regulatory commission in the UK as there is in other European states. The US as mentioned earlier, wanted to use "one-off" designs and the US NRC has little teeth, hence the problems as lessons from one reactor design could not be applied to others. Dave_n
 
That's right. I'm a Texan. Most of our statistics are third world.

Unionization
Wages
Health
Teenage pregnancy
Poverty
Education
Vaccination
Prenatal care
Infant mortality
Worker safety
Consumer rights and remedies

If it weren't for Mississippi, Alabama or West Virginia, we'd be at the bottom of the heap.
Your taxes aren't at the bottom...no income tax = high everything else taxes. :)
 
That's right. I'm a Texan. Most of our statistics are third world.

Unionization
Wages
Health
Teenage pregnancy
Poverty
Education
Vaccination
Prenatal care
Infant mortality
Worker safety
Consumer rights and remedies

If it weren't for Mississippi, Alabama or West Virginia, we'd be at the bottom of the heap.

Not quite. Depending on who you believe, there's about a dozen worse.
Some people going to get butt hurt. Of course they'll say how great their state is, but it just isn't so.


https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...in/40544227/&usg=AOvVaw2MTj7sO3KZdwHH-sadA6mw

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...tes/rankings&usg=AOvVaw3IcJbB7TJ3F07GySfFepHg
 
Power plants schedule shutdowns for repairs in the winter which in Texas is normally much slower in usage as compared to summers. And as in the past they got caught with their pants down. In the past power companies had to keep a plant for spare capacity. At one time CPS our local utility company owned by the city of San Antonio actually not only took care of the county, they actually placed power on the grid for sale to the state of Texas grid. Then things started happening. They started investing in wind and solar. No place for wind turbines here so they had to use the grid system. As since so much of their money went to the new green deal they cut down usage of their coal plant and lost their spare capacity while at the same time did not build another natural gas plant. Add to the fact the state is growing, the city started this come one, come all Data Centers to San Antonio for cheap electricity. I pay 10 cents in the winter, 12 in the summer per KWH. Data centers pay 3 cents. So all our spare capacity went out the window. Can't wait for all those new electric cars to start hitting our failing grid. If you have nothing better to do check out how much FB uses in energy every day, and the amount of backup generators to make sure they don't go down. I bet if the utility company shutdown FB the rest of the users in Dallas-Ft. Worth wouldn't need to have a black out?
 
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That's right. I'm a Texan. Most of our statistics are third world.

Unionization
Wages
Health
Teenage pregnancy
Poverty
Education
Vaccination
Prenatal care
Infant mortality
Worker safety
Consumer rights and remedies

If it weren't for Mississippi, Alabama or West Virginia, we'd be at the bottom of the heap.


Nevada has almost everybody whipped when it comes to hopeless education and worker safety/rights and a few other of those categories. Years ago before she knew me my wife sent her boys BACK to Texas to be with their dad after getting a peek at the education system in Vegas. Girl I knew years ago said her daughter was up in Wisconsin (I think, coulda been MN) because there was no way she was having her go to a school here.
 
Fusion is the power of tomorrow, and always will be.

Nuclear power of the type used now is the "greenist" form of power.

Everybody around the world has been looking for fusion to happen, but it hasn't. This has led to a stagnation in interest in fission reactors. Given that fusion appears to be a ways off, I think the time has come to suck it up and build some of these low pressure reactors. The sodium reactor looks great until you read more about sodium. Bad stuff on the loose. The molten salt reactors may be a better bet.

Molten salt reactor - Wikipedia
 
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Nuclear power of the type used now is the "greenist" form of power.

IMO, Fukishima is the counter argument to that. Everything worked as designed and they still had a massive accident.

Going from memory..

There was an earthquake that knocked out offsite power, so they switched to the backup generators and shut down the reactors. That was how it was supposed to work.

Then there was a flood that knocked out the backup generators. That was unforseen. It wasn't supposed to be possible to have a flood at the same time as an earthquake. OOP's.

A shutdown reactor still generates heat, but they didn't have a way to cool the reactors since they lost all the ways to power the reactor coolant pumps. The reactor coolant overheated and they had a hydrogen explosion with a Loss of Coolant Accident (LOCA). That spread contamination over who knows how many hundreds of square miles. It also uncovered the reactor core.

In order to cool the core they flooded it with sea water and contaminated some unknown million gallons of sea water.

Everything functioned like it was designed. It just didn't work.

ETA - Even in an operating plant, there's radiation leakage. There's some level of radioactive steam that leaks over time from valve stems and pipe seals in the containment building that gets vented to the atmosphere. There's also some leakage between the primary reactor coolant side and secondary steam side from corrosion in the steam generator tubing. Nothing's perfect.

IMO anyway, PWR's aren't really that green.
 
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Fusion is the power of tomorrow, and always will be.

Nuclear power of the type used now is the "greenist" form of power.

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IMO, Fukishima is the counter argument to that. Everything worked as designed and they still had a massive accident.

Read the IAEA report, so I'll intersperse some stuff.

Going from memory..

There was an earthquake that knocked out offsite power, so they switched to the backup generators and shut down the reactors. That was how it was supposed to work.

Then there was a flood that knocked out the backup generators. That was unforseen. It wasn't supposed to be possible to have a flood at the same time as an earthquake. OOP's.

Wrong. Tepco (the operator) was advised that the backup generators should be at higher elevation. Decided against it for cost considerations.

A shutdown reactor still generates heat, but they didn't have a way to cool the reactors since they lost all the ways to power the reactor coolant pumps. The reactor coolant overheated and they had a hydrogen explosion with a Loss of Coolant Accident (LOCA). That spread contamination over who knows how many hundreds of square miles. It also uncovered the reactor core.

In part, but operator error in opening the steam release valves allowed the backup coolant to boil off. H2 generated collected in the building and ignited. No containment breach.

In order to cool the core they flooded it with sea water and contaminated some unknown million gallons of sea water.
Some, most was collected. In any event, the additional radionuclide loading in the local seawater was slight.

Everything functioned like it was designed. It just didn't work.

Not really, Those were Gen I GE BWR's , Tepco did not upgrade as recommended by GE. (All US Gen I's have been upgraded)

The real thing to remember from Fukushima is that there were ZERO DEATHS from radiation and NO PROSPECT for future radiation induced diseases. That's straight from the report.

There was considerable debate that the government response was an overreaction and caused deaths by unnecessarily moving people.

ETA - Even in an operating plant, there's radiation leakage. There's some level of radioactive steam that leaks over time from valve stems and pipe seals in the containment building that gets vented to the atmosphere. There's also some leakage between the primary reactor coolant side and secondary steam side from corrosion in the steam generator tubing. Nothing's perfect.

So? Everything on the planet is radioactive. K40 in bananas, Radium in Brazil nuts. The issue is dose. You'd get more of a dose taking a cross country flight than from visiting a power station. ;)

IMO anyway, PWR's aren't really that green.

From a CO2/GWh standard, they are the greenest. By deaths per GWh produced, they're the safest too..

Waste from solar panels and windmills is the issue that everyone seems to ignore. Probably because it's happening in China and not here. Rare earth refining and solar panel production is nasty stuff.

That said, Molten salt is a better bet for grid level power that PWR/BWR's.
 
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Wind and solar are the energy sources of the future ................ and always will be.;)

This so-called "green" energy has three outstanding characteristics: expensive, inefficient, unreliable. Green energy = black-outs.
 
This so-called "green" energy has three outstanding characteristics: expensive, inefficient, unreliable. Green energy = black-outs.

You're right, but many refuse to acknowledge this, preferring to remain ignorant of facts. With regard to wind farms, another important point is the very real potential lowering of the property value where they stand as well as that of the general area. While they do provide some income for the property owner, it may not be nearly enough to offset a property devaluation over the long term.

And what happens to these eyesores when their useful life is over? Companies may pledge to remove them (at great cost) but those companies may not be in existence or have the funding when the time comes. This may vary from one location to the other depending on many factors, but when the wind farmers were attempting to move into a north Texas county some years ago, the standard concrete foundation to erect a windmill was twenty-eight feet deep. I don't recall the diameter, but to hold up a 300 foot monster, it had to be huge. The maintenance on the windmills is considerable.

There are likely some honest wind farm promoters out there, but their general image doesn't speak well of the unreliable product they traffic in.
 
You forgot the fourth thing. Once they are End of Life, they are hard to dispose of. Those big turbine blades can't be recycled or reused. They are currently being buried in land fills.

Well, there's a fifth thing too. They kill birds, including endangered species. The same species that any of us would be fined heavily and maybe even jailed for killing are just eggs in the Green Energy Omelet.

Thousands of eggs have been broken, yet we still have no omelet.

This so-called "green" energy has three outstanding characteristics: expensive, inefficient, unreliable. Green energy = black-outs.
 
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