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Got a email from my gun club for a pistol course.    What do you think about the underlined statement below.    

Class topics:
* On-range training in crucial handgun skills   * Warrior expert theory
* Counter ambush training               * Balance of speed and precision
* Stance and movement;                 * Grip and trigger control
* Presentation from ready and holster          * Shooting from retention and reloading
* Diagnosing your misses               * Defensive shooting drills

* This class is for semi-automatic pistols, NOT revolvers-- :rolleyes:
** 9mm ammunition cn be mde available if you need for this course**
 
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I can see the logic behind limiting the type of handgun that's going to be dealt with. HOWEVER, I see several topics that are troubling either by their presence or their absence. Where's the section paying attention to your surroundings so you can be elsewhere when the festivities begin?
 
glenwolde said:
Translation: The instructor does not know how to shoot a revolver.
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Possibly true, but who knows!

A couple years back I commented about a young RO that said if he could run things he would not allow revolvers there. I tried talking with him but gave up. When I left i did tell him I was a RO/NRA instructor long before he was a twinkle in his fathers eyes.:D
 
If the charge for this course is over $35.00 I would demand to see the individuals training qualifications . Meaning the certificates or letters from where the training was received. If it didn't include Gunsite or Thunder Ranch I wouldn't waste My time.
 
"Warrior expert" and counter ambush were the two that stood out to me. Could be totally legit with odd wording, or a bit tactilol.

As far as making it bottom-feeder only, I'd pretty much expect it and it's nice they clarified that from the get-go. Like it or not, the autoloader almost entirely replaced the revolver for military and police use, and constitute the vast majority of sales to others. The last 30+ years of practical pistol theory reflects this, and the instruction follows.As examples, think of how annoying it would be to have to instruct almost all of the class on reloading their Glock 17/M&P/P320/whatever, and then stopping the class to instruct one or two revolver holdouts, or developing courses of fire/drills around 17 round service pistols that are also viable with revolvers.

Revolver specific classes are a thing, and if you're someone who wants to stick it out with the wheelgun as a practical pistol, I'd imagine they'd be worth taking from someone skilled in it. I sure would if that was my jam, and if I have the disposable income and time when an instructor is in my area, I'll definitely do so just to get a feel for it (similarly, I'd also love to try a defensive shotgun class).
 
Is this billed as a basic course, or what? Many of the topics seem like basic, but then the are a couple that seem, at least, intermdiate if not advanced.

It would be intreresting to see what the think of as crucial skills since som ofthe other topics see to cover may crucial skills.

Seems something of a mishmash course.

If they cannot have non-9mm guns, how do they deal with the variety of 9mm guns? Glocks, CZ's, 1911, Beretta and others have differing features that come into play.
 
I qualified w/my Model 10 snub during LEOSA certification a couple of years ago. The only problem was reloading, using speedloaders, before the computer-timed target faced away from me.
 
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robertrwalsh said:
I supposed that situational awareness could be called "counter ambush training. Not quite sure what "Warrior Expert Theory" is but it sure sounds good.
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dave1918a2 said:
If the charge for this course is over $35.00 I would demand to see the individuals training qualifications . Meaning the certificates or letters from where the training was received. If it didn't include Gunsite or Thunder Ranch I wouldn't waste My time.
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Robertwalsh,

I think you are right on the situational awareness. Like you not real sure what this "Warrior Expert Theory" is, would a definition though.

Dave19118a2,

Most of the instructors that I see offering these courses think they are "somebody special". I don't teach anyone except close family or a few friends who ask. My "Bona Fides" are I am a USMC Combat Pistol & Shotgun Instructor (course was set up with Jeff Cooper and our instructors were trained a Gunsite) and I attended the FBI Firearms Instructor's course. In this case I would like to see what the guy is teaching.

Maybe he offers a revolver course. We trained our personnel with revolvers in a separate course. It was given after the auto course.

AJ
 
NYlakesider said:
Got a email from my gun club for a pistol course.    What do you think about the underlined statement below.    

Class topics:
* On-range training in crucial handgun skills   * Warrior expert theory
* Counter ambush training               * Balance of speed and precision
* Stance and movement;                 * Grip and trigger control
* Presentation from ready and holster          * Shooting from retention and reloading
* Diagnosing your misses               * Defensive shooting drills

* This class is for semi-automatic pistols, NOT revolvers-- :rolleyes:
** 9mm ammunition can be made available if you need for this course**
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I'd ask what the instructor's credentials are, and the ultimate goal of the course.

Maybe the firearm type limitation is due to the courses of fire being more than 6 rounds? Maybe the courses are timed, including reloading; unless you're very good, reloading a revolver , even with speed loaders, is a bit slower than on a semiauto and they want to "level the playing field". IDK, but the statement about making 9mm ammo available for those who need it doesn't take into account that a lot of semi's aren't 9mm, and many who shoot them don't have 9mm guns.

I would hope the "counter ambush training" teaches you how to recognize one and avoid it.
 
Meh. Standard stuff even with the "high speed" ninja warrior philosophy thrown in.

The instructor is probably less than 45 years old and was raised in the semi-auto era. Or has been trained only with Suarez. He (or she) does not understand revolvers and would not be competent teaching them.

Revolver shooters on the line will run dry sooner than semi auto students. This will likely slow down class flow during drills requiring providing covering fire for reload and movement drills. Further, instructors would have to provide actual skills training to revolver shooters, which they likely don't possess.

Revolvers have utility in civilian defensive carry. We may not like it, but the auto pistol rules defensive shooting today. Taking this local course will be cheaper than going to Arizona or Oregon for training in how to run a revolver defensively. Borrow a plastic 9mm and a strong side holster without throwing up in your mouth. Take the course, learn what's worth learning, then carry and practice with what you want.

Or just spend the money on Thunder Ranch DVD's and train on your own.
 
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