Yup,medical advice from some rando on the forum who has “done their own research” is far more valuable than talking to someone who went to medical school
Covid Booster at the VA question.
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bluetopper
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Yes lots of people like to make fun of those taking Ivermectin, vitamin D, and Zinc as a preventative and treatment for Covid. But the standard protocol treatments of those seriously ill with it doesn’t seem to be faring too well.
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vonn
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This disease has been so politicized how do you know who to believe or trust?
Theyre making fun of you guys because you're trusting internet sources that say something may work somewhat instead of taking a massively successful free vaccine with hundreds of millions of doses given in our country alone.
I too would find it funny if it wasnt going to cause the deaths of tens or hundreds of thousands more of my countrymen.
The previous admin spearheaded a massive program to get the vaccine out to us. The current administration made it more available. It doesn't have to be political, everyone was for it. If you want to prevent really bad covid outcomes, great news, we have the means, it's just not at tractor supply co.
Horse apples. My wife is just finishing breakthrough COVID and her treatments were both helpful and effective. 10 days to almost normal and no longer infectious. She has a number of underlying health issues.
Now it's my turn - tested positive for breakthrough COVID (we both had the Moderna 2-shot vaxx in March) and will quarantine for 10 days. I'm asymptomatic so far; my doc tells me about 40%-50% of vaxxed folks who test positive will be asymptomatic, with most of the rest having mild symptoms. He gave me redlines that should trigger a call, or a visit to the ER (sudden fever, shortness of breath, 02 readings under 90).
Neither my doc, nor my wife's doc, nor her PA recommended Ivermectin in any dosage nor any supplements (we asked), just plenty of fluids. We'll be getting our boosters in November.
I'm not a doctor, and most here aren't either - none of us should play one online or on TV.
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My doc and my wife's doc and PA; they've successfully treated us. My doc is a Vietnam F4 pilot (do the math), my wife's doc has been practicing 5 years, and her PA 20 years, so they have an enormous variety of experience.
We're having a serious outbreak in Capitan, Carrizozo, and Ruidoso and have been since early August. You still see nimrods without masks - not funny when there is real trouble.
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You wonderful gentlemen, I think all of you as family. Our responsibility to ourselves and to our precious families is to be well informed and to not rely on others with other interests to do it for us. There are many many videos but this is the very latest and perhaps the best. Very very enlightening, please watch.
The Story Of Ivermectin And COVID-19
The Story Of Ivermectin And COVID-19
No, thanks.
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I don't really have a non-rude way to say this, but it is out of love and my hoping for the health and safety of our members, and those of us around them.
You've got a Qanon signature in 2021. You've shown you're willing to fall for poorly sourced internet nonsense, and at the very least not change course even after every part of that has been shown to be an internet troll, with all of the predictions being proven false again and again. You're falling for this kind of thing again, but this time there are real consequences to you and to others. You're ignoring so much actual evidence about something that works to justify sucking down horse paste. There's gotta be some point where it clicks that it's a bit silly.
I thought I was the only one who noticed the Q signature line.
My wife and I have COVID now. Right now. Folks trying to convince others to self-medicate against the advice of their medical professionals are decidedly unhelpful, if not malicious.
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I agree it’s not rocket science, but some folks will look at the stats you post and use it to bolster their claims that vaccinated people still get sick and still get hospitalized.
Here in NC the vaccination rate hovers around 46% and hasn’t inched up even a percent over the last month or so.
My wife is an RN in a local hospital and 100% of the patients in the hospital due to Covid 19 are unvaccinated, including of course all the patients who are in the ICU, all the patients who are intubated and all the patients who have died. Both the Covid ward and the Emergency department have been over flowing for over a week now. You won’t be hospitalized there for Covid (or anything else) unless you are seriously, deathly ill.
She works in the rehab ward (where you go after a stroke, organ transplant, amputation, etc) but that ward is now full of over flow patients and is unable to accept any new patients. Which means if you have a stroke, an accident or are on a transplant list you will be out of luck if live in the area.
Stepping back a bit and comparing those 100 percent numbers with the fairly common 95-99 percent unvaccinated numbers found in a growing number of hospitals in southern states where vaccination rates are low, with the 77% numbers you report in New Mexico where the vaccination rate is comparatively high, there is a pattern.
In states like NM, the higher vaccination rate puts less stress on the hospitals. That means that patients who are vaccinated, but Covid positive can be hospitalized before they get deathly ill, or as a precaution if they have a co-occurring condition that makes getting seriously ill more likely. That luxury doesn’t exist in the south.
Yet people insistent on refusing the vaccine will claim, based on stats in states with high vaccination rates, that vaccinated people will still get Covid and will still get “seriously ill” and conclude that getting vaccinated isn’t worth the “risk” (and that risk in total and individually for any reported side effect is near zero and far less than the risk of the same effect from Covid).
It is technically true that vaccinated people can get Covid, and can still get “seriously” ill, but it ignores the fact “fully vaccinated” people are far better protected from getting a break through infection, are far less likely to get seriously ill, and are far less likely to die.
It also totally ignores the qualitative differences in “seriously ill” putting a Covid breakthrough patient’s “gee, I feel like hammered crap” experience in the same seriously ill category with an unvaccinated seriously ill patient who can’t say anything as they are in the ICU and are intubated.
So, it’s not rocket science, but people need to be smart enough to look below the surface of the data to see what it really means, be willing to look past their own personal biases, and be smart enough to detect the mis information and disinformation that abounds.
A vaccine that requires a booster every 5 months (or six, or eight...) is not a very effective vaccine. Seems like a lot of people with the vaccine getting the virus.
I understand the severity is supposed to be lessened with the vaccine, and that’s a really good thing, however I haven’t seen the stats behind that claim. Is it that most/many cases of COVID are really not that severe, or is it because we’re vaccinated that it’s not severe? Is it both?
There seems to be so many generalizations out there regarding this illness, it makes it very difficult to make truly informed decisions... Glad we have a vaccine available, but it seems that these scientists and doctors are winging it half the time, and they’re winging it with our health and safety. I’m sure they’re doing the best they can, but I wish there was more honesty and transparency along the way, instead of the BS associated with ‘keeping the public reassured and calm’. I’m an adult, tell me the truth, and don’t try to convince me of things you don’t really know.
Stay safe out there!!
I will say, as an American who believes in freedom that this is still a free country and we do still all have the right to choose.
In that regard I fully support an individual’s right to choose not to get vaccinated.
*However* I am also an American, one of the increasingly rare variety, who fully understands that each and every right we have comes with a commensurate degree of responsibility to wield that right responsibly so that the rights of other Americans to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are not infringed.
I am also an American that understands that a basic foundational requirement of civilized society is a willingness to set aside your personal interests from time to time for the greater good. You know, like millions of GIs enlisting during WWII, 400,000 of whom died in the service of others.
As such an American, I need to point out that choosing to refuse to get vaccinated comes with some obligations, responsibilities, and realities:
1) If you choose to not get vaccinated, be aware it’s a choice with possible life threatening consequences, and have the stones to live and die with your choice, without pushing those consequences off on others;
- if you get seriously ill, have the courage of your conviction to stay home and not infect others;
- have the commitment courage of your convictions and poor decision and do not under any circumstances go to the hospital and use valuable medical resources that are in critically short supply for your serious case of Covid - a case that would have been at least 99% preventable if you’d have gotten fully vaccinated;
- do not push the consequences of your bad section off on someone else by going to the hospital and taking a critically needed bed needed by someone who did not make the incredibly poor choice to not get vaccinated;
- do not regard yourself as a patriot willing to sacrifice for his or her country, since you won’t even sacrifice enough for your fellow countrymen to get a pair of vaccinations;
- recognize that possibly well meaning but clearly misguided people like your self are responsible for the continuing Covid crisis, a crisis that has killed 663,000 Americans to date - more than half again as many who died in WWII; and
- recognize that the unvaccinated will largely be responsible for what will probably be an equal number of additional deaths due to Covid this coming fall and winter.
And of course be aware that by the end of next winter many of the rest of us will still mourn the passing of vaccine refusers we know, but not quite as much as we’ll be commenting on how their death is a great example of Darwinism works.
In that regard I fully support an individual’s right to choose not to get vaccinated.
*However* I am also an American, one of the increasingly rare variety, who fully understands that each and every right we have comes with a commensurate degree of responsibility to wield that right responsibly so that the rights of other Americans to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are not infringed.
I am also an American that understands that a basic foundational requirement of civilized society is a willingness to set aside your personal interests from time to time for the greater good. You know, like millions of GIs enlisting during WWII, 400,000 of whom died in the service of others.
As such an American, I need to point out that choosing to refuse to get vaccinated comes with some obligations, responsibilities, and realities:
1) If you choose to not get vaccinated, be aware it’s a choice with possible life threatening consequences, and have the stones to live and die with your choice, without pushing those consequences off on others;
- if you get seriously ill, have the courage of your conviction to stay home and not infect others;
- have the commitment courage of your convictions and poor decision and do not under any circumstances go to the hospital and use valuable medical resources that are in critically short supply for your serious case of Covid - a case that would have been at least 99% preventable if you’d have gotten fully vaccinated;
- do not push the consequences of your bad section off on someone else by going to the hospital and taking a critically needed bed needed by someone who did not make the incredibly poor choice to not get vaccinated;
- do not regard yourself as a patriot willing to sacrifice for his or her country, since you won’t even sacrifice enough for your fellow countrymen to get a pair of vaccinations;
- recognize that possibly well meaning but clearly misguided people like your self are responsible for the continuing Covid crisis, a crisis that has killed 663,000 Americans to date - more than half again as many who died in WWII; and
- recognize that the unvaccinated will largely be responsible for what will probably be an equal number of additional deaths due to Covid this coming fall and winter.
And of course be aware that by the end of next winter many of the rest of us will still mourn the passing of vaccine refusers we know, but not quite as much as we’ll be commenting on how their death is a great example of Darwinism works.
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What BB57 said x100. He did it much more kindly than could I.
The anti vax radio talk show hosts Marc Bernier, Phil Valentine, Jimmy DeYoung, and Dick Farrel all gave lots of good medical advice and warnings about the dangers of the vaccine and the benefits of Ivermectin. Of course now that they are all dead from covid they can't do that anymore.
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I’ve been getting progressively harsher saying it as the death toll rises and as the facts continue to bounce off particularly dense foreheads.
My mother used to say I was really good at telling people to go to hell in a manner where they looked forward to the trip. But that aside, I really do believe most people want to do the right thing and that truly evil people are fairly rare (and easy to identify as they are either in jail or hold public office).
At the same time even when they want to do the right thing, a lot of people just really suck at figuring out what is the right thing to do.
Amen .
Absalom
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This. It’s already happening.
One of the larger hospital systems in our area publicized their numbers last week. Take a look:
Covid has already morphed into a “Pandemic of the Unvaccinated”. For the vaccinated, the risk is there, but probably down to the level of other everyday dangers, like slippery floors and swerving dump trucks.
And the resistance to reality on one side will be accompanied by an increasing lack of caring on the other. Both will damage the country in the long run.
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Here's an op-ed from today's WaPo advocating that when necessary it is just to prioritize medical treatment of the vaccinated:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...accinated-patients-when-resources-are-scarce/
I can understand insisting that one will not be vaccinated. I believe in freedom of choice. But when we now know that even the vaccinated can experience breakthrough cases, that unvaccinated children are vulnerable, and that as long as not everyone is vaccinated the virus will continue to evolve into variants dangerous to all of us, I don't understand the insistence of some of the unvaccinated that they should not be discriminated against in terms of mingling with others.
The analogy of you can legally drink as much alcohol as you want, but you can't legally drive drunk because it is a danger to others seems apt to me.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...accinated-patients-when-resources-are-scarce/
I can understand insisting that one will not be vaccinated. I believe in freedom of choice. But when we now know that even the vaccinated can experience breakthrough cases, that unvaccinated children are vulnerable, and that as long as not everyone is vaccinated the virus will continue to evolve into variants dangerous to all of us, I don't understand the insistence of some of the unvaccinated that they should not be discriminated against in terms of mingling with others.
The analogy of you can legally drink as much alcohol as you want, but you can't legally drive drunk because it is a danger to others seems apt to me.
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