The Bren Ten Curse

[Echo40]

Just get a Tanfoglio Witness. It's a better pistol that that overrated piece of junk ever was, and it died for a reason. Never become enamored with anything based entirely on its name, history, or scarcity.

I guarantee you that if the Bren Ten were ever to be reproduced, then everyone would fall out of love with it really quickly once they actually had it in their possession. It was a terrible prototype pistol with poor ergonomics, unattractive aesthetics, and based on the ever-flawed, always disastrous concept of heavily modifying an existing design far beyond its original design specifications.

 

[Ethang]

There seems to be a lot of pent up ill feelings about this pistol. In that there was such a limited amount of pistols actually produced and sold how many of you that posted something negative about the concept have even owned one?

Show us on the doll where the Bren Ten touched you...

 

[Sevens]

Youngster…

These guys stole money and screwed over many dozens if not many hundreds of people. Some of these guns erupted and sent slides flying.

Have you ever heard of the Kimball .30 Carbine? If not, that’s certainly no surprise, most folks have never heard of it and it doesn’t generate angst because nobody got screwed over them —AND— the Kimball didn’t appear in the biggest prime time TV show hit of the decade.

It seems like you got your answer. Amongst this crowd, ONE person wants to see it return. You.

Bah, just get one from Gunbroker. The last two went over $11,000 each.

 

[BigMuddy]

I would be “IN” if it looked just like the original. To me the Witness is the ugly duckling. I think the Bren 10 is one of the coolest semi autos of all time. Lusted for one before the Miami Vice affect. Some don’t know but the actual gun in the show was a .45, and the slide was nickel so it would show up better in the night time scenes.

When the S&W 645 came out I grabbed one. Closest gun I could obtain that looked kinda like the Bren. Of course then the Crockett character changed to the 645. Guess Sonny wanted to be just like me.

Dan

 

[Ethang]

Youngster…

These guys stole money and screwed over many dozens if not many hundreds of people. Some of these guns erupted and sent slides flying.

Have you ever heard of the Kimball .30 Carbine? If not, that’s certainly no surprise, most folks have never heard of it and it doesn’t generate angst because nobody got screwed over them —AND— the Kimball didn’t appear in the biggest prime time TV show hit of the decade.

It seems like you got your answer. Amongst this crowd, ONE person wants to see it return. You.

Bah, just get one from Gunbroker. The last two went over $11,000 each.

Youngster Huh? Bless your heart.

None of what you just posted has any bearing on a modern made Bren Ten but thank you for your input. I have you down as a no to my initial question.

 

[Sevens]

Allright, I apologize for the condescending "Youngster" that opened my post. I blame the "show us on the doll" part of your post.

In any case, if a new pistol is going to trade on the historic name of the former face-down-in-the-gutter debacle of the original, then there is no way to disassociate the failure of the original.

Matter of fact, Vltor went down this wormhole and led folks around by the nose for at least a small handful of years before they failed/gave up on a Bren Ten revival and to be honest, it seems appropriate that they did fail, given the subject and it's massive failure.

 

[DWalt]

I would be “IN” if it looked just like the original. To me the Witness is the ugly duckling. I think the Bren 10 is one of the coolest semi autos of all time.
Dan

About the only cosmetic appearance difference between the BT and the Witness is the sight hump on the rear of the BT slide. Necessary to house the firing pin safety which the Witness does not have. Or need.

 

[Ethang]

Allright, I apologize for the condescending "Youngster" that opened my post. I blame the "show us on the doll" part of your post.

In any case, if a new pistol is going to trade on the historic name of the former face-down-in-the-gutter debacle of the original, then there is no way to disassociate the failure of the original.

Matter of fact, Vltor went down this wormhole and led folks around by the nose for at least a small handful of years before they failed/gave up on a Bren Ten revival and to be honest, it seems appropriate that they did fail, given the subject and it's massive failure.

Some of the responses have almost risen to the level of being touched inappropriately by either a Bren, or the original manufacture, hence my doll comment.


*%tor, I refuse to speak of them, did in fact lead everybody on, me included. I signed up for one back then. Again, non of that has any bearing on my question I originally asked. I do thank you for your input and have you down as not interested.

 

[BigMuddy]

That “hump” is one of the things I like. I’m definitely not up on each of the EAA guns but the 10’s I’ve seen have shorter barrels. The 5” 45’s I have seen have full length dust cover frames which I don’t like. I also like the two tone on the Bren.

All personal preference I am sure. The Sig 220 looks attractive to me also.

Dan

 

[ladder13]

…….

On retrospect, after looking at that pic again, yes I’m in.

 

[DWalt]

That “hump” is one of the things I like. I’m definitely not up on each of the EAA guns but the 10’s I’ve seen have shorter barrels. The 5” 45’s I have seen have full length dust cover frames which I don’t like. I also like the two tone on the Bren.

All personal preference I am sure. The Sig 220 looks attractive to me also.

Dan

There were several BT variations made, one having a short barrel. How rare any of those are, I have no idea. My Witness uses 4.5" barrels (.45, .38 Super, and 9mm). Very simple to change calibers.

 

[BigMuddy]

There were several BT variations made, one having a short barrel. How rare any of those are, I have no idea. My Witness uses 4.5" barrels (.45, .38 Super, and 9mm). Very simple to change calibers.

I was referring to the 4.5” as “short barrels”

I prefer 5” semi autos.

Dan

 

[ruger 22]

While the ten is a fine cartridge, the 9 today is very excellent and with worldwide availability and so many fine guns made for it I think it is not necessary to redo the Bren.

 

[Ethang]

On retrospect, after looking at that pic again, yes I’m in.

The appearance is what I love about the Bren. It is what makes it what it is. Different strokes for different folks is fine, some don't feel the same way.
That is what makes this hobby so much fun.

I have heard there is even some out there that don't like the 1911 and think plastic 9mm's are enough...

 

[Laketime]

If it was good enough for Col.Cooper its good enough for me.

 

[Hair Trigger]

Since the gun was patterned off the CZ75, I don't see why anyone would buy it over a current 10mm CZ. I couldn't quite remember what they looked like and after doing a Google image search, frankly they look ugly. I don't see any market for a reproduction ....

I think that one looks pretty good, like a cross between a BHP and a S&W 1006. I am a big fan of .40S&W and 10mm Auto. I think the true appeal for the Bren Ten is that it was the first pistol chambered for 10mm, and that Sonny Crocket had one stuffed under his armpit with an Armani jacket for a cover garment. I doubt I'd buy one if offered today; there are too many other pistols offered in the cartridge that are just as good, and more reliable and sturdy. I've got an SR1911 in 10mm, I see nothing the Bren has over it. If the frame would hold up to it, I'd love to see a BHP in 10mm. I have a .40 BHP and love it.

While the ten is a fine cartridge, the 9 today is very excellent and with worldwide availability and so many fine guns made for it I think it is not necessary to redo the Bren.

9x19 is a good cartridge, but I see it against the 10mm like you'd compare a .38 Spl. to a .357 Magnum.

 

[smithra_66]

I think that one looks pretty good, like a cross between a BHP and a S&W 1006. I am a big fan of .40S&W and 10mm Auto. I think the true appeal for the Bren Ten is that it was the first pistol chambered for 10mm, and that Sonny Crocket had one stuffed under his armpit with an Armani jacket for a cover garment. I doubt I'd buy one if offered today; there are too many other pistols offered in the cartridge that are just as good, and more reliable and sturdy. I've got an SR1911 in 10mm, I see nothing the Bren has over it. If the frame would hold up to it, I'd love to see a BHP in 10mm. I have a .40 BHP and love it.


9x19 is a good cartridge, but I see it against the 10mm like you'd compare a .38 Spl. to a .357 Magnum.

Heh...it's not even that close...the 38 Spl is very close in power to the 357 Mag when handloaded, especially in guns with short cylinders.

The 9x19 has way less power potential than the 10.

That said, I never really liked the Bren Ten and wouldn't be interested in a modern one. If I wanted a 10mm (it's not that high on my list), I'd opt for a Delta Elite.

 

[10mmauto]

I had two Bren Tens - a standard model and a Special Forces Light. I have also owned three Marksman Specials which came chambered for .45. I enjoyed shooting them all and sadly don't have any of them anymore. I, for one, would buy a copy in a second!

 

[JackM]

If it was good enough for Col.Cooper its good enough for me.

Miami Vice didn't hurt, but it was Jeff Cooper who led the charge. He was instrumental in the gun's design and promoted it as the one and only handgun that could hold a candle to the 1911 as a defensive weapon. Just think, people bought the gun from a company that could only promise they would deliver the magazine later on. Jeff Cooper had quite a following.

 

[luvsmiths]

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And people say Glock's are ugly?