1006 vs Sig p220 10mm

[FoundFather]

If you are making this choice based on shootability, this is a no brainier. You have to buy the P220. Yes I also own a P220 chambered for the 10MM Auto cartridge. Mine was built in the days before SIG offered this cartridge as an option

If your desire was collectability, then I can see the 10xx models as the way to go here

Colt SAA, great post and thnaks for the pics. Can't get enough gun porn. That Sig looks great with the wood grips. Your point about shooter vs. collector sounds aobut right. Not sure where I come out on that.

 

[scott1970]

I purchased a Sig 10mm a year and a half ago, and I've been very happy with it...really nice trigger, very accurate with my handloads and heavy enough to tame stout ammo. My only issue is it tosses the brass a solid forty feet away, literally forty feet.

 

[colt_saa]

Colt SAA, great post and thnaks for the pics. Can't get enough gun porn. That Sig looks great with the wood grips. Your point about shooter vs. collector sounds aobut right. Not sure where I come out on that.

OK,
This is just for the Gun Porn value

Here is my P220 chambered in 10MM Auto along with my MP5/10 SMG

I have been a big fan and shooter of the 10MM Auto cartridge for more than 3 decades now

 

[hammy5150]

As someone with a 1006 I would go with the P220. It's still in production now and parts and support are a lot easier to come by. Would I give up my 1006 for a P220 though? Certainly not.

Interestingly what the FBI wanted for their infamous debut 10mm service pistol though would basically have been a 10mm P220, but SIG didn't make one at the time leading S&W to kludge together a sig style decocker for the 10XX guns instead which proved to have issues. I wonder if they might have stuck with 10mm longer if those issues didn't exist hastening the development of .40.

 

[sotexas]

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My favorite set up plus I have a SA XDm 4.5" with 15rnd capacity

 

[Sevens]

I wonder if they might have stuck with 10mm longer if those issues didn't exist hastening the development of .40.

My own personal theory, completely and entirely unsubstantiated by the way, is that S&W was so ridiculously hot ‘n heavy over their .40 S&W project and their 4006 pistol that they willfully and purposefully killed off their own 10mm semiautomatic pistol line to direct all traffic towards the .40cal.

Yes, wholly unsubstantiated. But I think it’s the only logical answer. It’s not like S&W had some crazy unique model line in the 10xx guns that required a slew of 10mm specific machinery and dedication. The 10xx guns and the 4506 guns are nearly identical and I can’t buy the argument that the 10mm pistols weren’t “worth producing” when we consider that S&W had some 40-gujillion different models-of-the-month being produced.

Just for half a moment consider how many variations of 9/40/45 they were producing… I mean you can’t even guess at the total number, it’s ludicrous. And yet by 1994 the 10mm pistol was completely out of production.

I have no plans to forgive S&W for just killing the production of one of the best guns in the modern era.

 

[Frank Black]

My own personal theory, completely and entirely unsubstantiated by the way, is that S&W was so ridiculously hot ‘n heavy over their .40 S&W project and their 4006 pistol that they willfully and purposefully killed off their own 10mm semiautomatic pistol line to direct all traffic towards the .40cal.

Yes, wholly unsubstantiated. But I think it’s the only logical answer. It’s not like S&W had some crazy unique model line in the 10xx guns that required a slew of 10mm specific machinery and dedication. The 10xx guns and the 4506 guns are nearly identical and I can’t buy the argument that the 10mm pistols weren’t “worth producing” when we consider that S&W had some 40-gujillion different models-of-the-month being produced.

Just for half a moment consider how many variations of 9/40/45 they were producing… I mean you can’t even guess at the total number, it’s ludicrous. And yet by 1994 the 10mm pistol was completely out of production.

I have no plans to forgive S&W for just killing the production of one of the best [10mm] guns in the modern era.

Well said.

I agree.

 

[BLUEDOT37]

I have no plans to forgive S&W for just killing the production of one of the best guns in the modern era.

Lol, we could say that about more than one gun they quit making "before it's time", but...

While we just have to scratch our heads about their decisions sometimes, too numerous to say, I don't take them to heart.

Besides, doesn't seem like anyone else much was on the 10mm bandwagon in the mid-90s either, but you do wonder why they didn't try harder to get their R&D bucks out of their 10xx saga?

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I got excited about the SIG 10mm a couple times but never took the plunge for several reasons. Just kept collecting 3rd Gens.

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The S&W frame decockers aren't the most elegantly styled but as mentioned they were rushed to try & make the FBI happy who in reality didn't know what they wanted. Ultimately they ironed out it's kinks.

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[Sevens]

Lol, we could say that about more than one gun they quit making "before it's time", but...

While we just have to scratch our heads about their decisions sometimes, too numerous to say, I don't take them to heart.

Besides, doesn't seem like anyone else much was on the 10mm bandwagon in the mid-90s either, but you do wonder why they didn't try harder to get their R&D bucks out of their 10xx saga?

I shouldn't repeat myself but I would LOVE for someone who helped make the decision to answer me specifically...

Considering that the 1006 was so similar, production-wise to the 4506...

Considering that S&W churned out dozens upon dozens of crazy models, so helter skelter that NOBODY at the time could keep track and they even delivered a magic decoder wheel to some dealers to figure out what the heck a particular model number meant...

Considering that S&W was pushing the .40cal cartridge and pistols so hard...

Just seems to me like they wiped out the 10mm guns on purpose.

Glock, whether you like them or believe it's a cuss word, Glock kept the 10mm cartridge alive when S&W couldn't be bothered about it.

 

[BLUEDOT37]

Just seems to me like they wiped out the 10mm guns on purpose.

I agree with your basis.

I'm guessing they had a bad taste in their mouths after the FBI pulled the rug out from under the project & maybe even felt a little embarrassed at the high profile cancellation? Dunno

Only took them a couple decades to get over it & make another 10mm semi-auto pistol though.

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[Sevens]

THREE actually. And early returns are, well, just about as we expect from the QC masters in Springfield.

 

[Ben-Kenobi]

THREE actually. And early returns are, well, just about as we expect from the QC masters in Springfield.

Exactly and I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole. I have no desire to fire 10mm out of a polymer pistol. I'm lucky enough to own a 1006, P220 and soon a Tanfoglio Witness in 10mm. Give me a large metal frame any day.

 

[Sevens]

Conventional wisdom might agree but in practice, it plays out differently. Even the heavy full-nuts 10mm is controllable and enjoyable from a Glock. My EDC for 7+ years was a Gen 3 Glock 29 and it’s a helluva gun.

Glock released their first 10mm handgun before they ever marketed their first .45 Auto.

Glock could back in 1990 and still today run 10mm ammo that a Colt Delta Elite shouldn’t. Hahaha l’ll also note that it makes me chuckle that the Delta Elite I got ran a plastic recoil spring guide rod, a part that my tupperware Glock 29 crafted from a lightweight metal.

I’m with you — I’m a heavy steel handgun kind of guy also, I own very few tupperware guns and not even that many alloy framed guns. And I find polymer pistols to be soulless. But all of that is a side discussion when it comes to the ability of a 10mm chambered Glock pistol.

 

[BLUEDOT37]

Glock could back in 1990 and still today run 10mm ammo that a Colt Delta Elite shouldn’t.

Didn't Colt fix the problem by finally changing from their unsupported barrel to a supported one?

Which one did they choose or did they do something of their own?

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[Sevens]

Colt “fixed” early Delta frame cracks by eliminating the part of the frame that cracked. As far as I know, never did they address the case head support. My Delta Elite was a circa 2010 gun and it was average and barely so. Even the MSH was plastic. Not a high stress part, but it seemed really cheap… and that was an $1,100 gun back in 2010.

I pined over a Delta Elite ever since I wrote a high school English paper on one, but what a disappointment that pistol was.

 

[BLUEDOT37]

I see in Handloader #314 that I remembered wrong.

Looks like it was still unsupported in 2018.

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[Frank Black]

Speaking of all-steel 10mm pistols, the model 1006 is the gun Sonny Crockett should’ve been rocking on the final (1987) season of Miami Vice, rather than the M4506.

Just sayin’ ...

Obligatory pic attached. Note the brushed hard-chrome slide, a technique know as "Vice-ing" when applied to the slide of a steel 10mm autoloader.

 

[Travis Montana]

I would like to thank FoundFather for starting this thread. I have become a fan of the 10mm the last couple of years and have acquired a couple 1006's. At my LGS I also found a used Nighthawk Agent 2 in 10mm. I would not have given it a second glance if it was not for the caliber. I enjoy shooting these three and am always thinking ahead for my next investment. I have been looking at the Sigs and thank everyone for their comments on them.

 

[hammy5150]

Speaking of all-steel 10mm pistols, the model 1006 is the gun Sonny Crockett should’ve been rocking on the final (1987) season of Miami Vice, rather than the M4506.

Just sayin’ ...

Obligatory pic attached. Note the brushed hard-chrome slide, a technique know as "Vice-ing" when applied to the slide of a steel 10mm autoloader.

If Miami Vice had continued to 1989-1990 I'm certain we would've seen Crockett rocking an FBI-style 1076.

 

[colt_saa]

If Miami Vice had continued to 1989-1990 I'm certain we would've seen Crockett rocking an FBI-style 1076.

I don't agree on the certainty of that

Don Johnson had a good amount of input on the firearms. I think the Bren Ten being on the show was just so he could get two magazines with his while the Factory was shipping guns with no magazines to everybody else

His tastes really go toward the 38SUPER