bigwheelzip
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I was under the impression that the evacuees are the wounded.
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The Russians have gone in
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I was under the impression that the evacuees are the wounded.
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This ^^^
Another article in The Guardian, states:
More than 260 soldiers, many wounded, leave Mariupol plant that became symbol of resistance...
...it was unclear how many soldiers remained in the steel plant, but Ukraine's President, Volodymyr Zelenskiy, said "we hope to save the lives of our boys".
...Some 600 troops were believed to have been inside the steel plant....
...it was unclear how many soldiers remained in the steel plant, but Ukraine's President, Volodymyr Zelenskiy, said "we hope to save the lives of our boys".
...Some 600 troops were believed to have been inside the steel plant....
bigwheelzip
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Seeing reports that Pavel "Volat", Company Commander of the Belarusian Kastuś Kalinoŭski battalion was killed in combat.
He was a leader of approximately a thousand Belarusian volunteers fighting Russians in Ukraine, as part of the Ukraine Foreign Legion.
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From the NYT Live Updates:
The announcement said that 53 seriously wounded servicemen were being taken to a medical facility in Novoazovsk, in the Russian-controlled part of Donetsk in eastern Ukraine, and that 211 other fighters had been taken to Olenivka, in Donetsk, to be returned to Ukrainian territory through an exchange.
and:
KRAKOW, Poland — President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia faced a series of setbacks Monday over the Ukraine invasion, as his faltering military appeared forced to further shrink its goals and an emboldened NATO practiced war games with the alliance's two newest applicants on his country's doorstep.
To make matters worse for Mr. Putin, his own allies in Russia's counterpart to NATO failed to rally around him at a summit meeting in Moscow, leading to the optics of an increasingly isolated Kremlin in full display on Russia's state-run television.
And in what would be a change of position, Mr. Putin seemed to soften his strong objections to NATO membership for Finland and Sweden, which participated in its military exercises in the Baltics on Monday. Only last week, Mr. Putin had warned the two Nordic countries that joining NATO would be a mistake...
...he took a more measured tone in discussing the likely accession of Sweden and Finland to NATO — the latest evidence that Mr. Putin appears to be trying to limit, for now, an escalation of his conflict with the West.
"Russia, I would like to inform you, dear colleagues, has no problem with these states," Mr. Putin said, adding that NATO's expansion to include Sweden and Finland poses "no direct threat to us."
The image of Mr. Putin on his back foot was fueled further by two of the biggest names in global business — McDonald's and Renault — announcing their departure from Russia...
One of the few bright spots for Mr. Putin was the decision by Ukraine's military late Monday to end the resistance of holdout fighters at the Azovstal steel mill in the southeast port of Mariupol, which had been under Russian siege for weeks.
Outgunned, wounded and starving, the fighters had become heroes to many Ukrainians, but were evacuated in what amounted to a surrender. President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine said the decision had been meant "to save the lives of our boys."
To make matters worse for Mr. Putin, his own allies in Russia's counterpart to NATO failed to rally around him at a summit meeting in Moscow, leading to the optics of an increasingly isolated Kremlin in full display on Russia's state-run television.
And in what would be a change of position, Mr. Putin seemed to soften his strong objections to NATO membership for Finland and Sweden, which participated in its military exercises in the Baltics on Monday. Only last week, Mr. Putin had warned the two Nordic countries that joining NATO would be a mistake...
...he took a more measured tone in discussing the likely accession of Sweden and Finland to NATO — the latest evidence that Mr. Putin appears to be trying to limit, for now, an escalation of his conflict with the West.
"Russia, I would like to inform you, dear colleagues, has no problem with these states," Mr. Putin said, adding that NATO's expansion to include Sweden and Finland poses "no direct threat to us."
The image of Mr. Putin on his back foot was fueled further by two of the biggest names in global business — McDonald's and Renault — announcing their departure from Russia...
One of the few bright spots for Mr. Putin was the decision by Ukraine's military late Monday to end the resistance of holdout fighters at the Azovstal steel mill in the southeast port of Mariupol, which had been under Russian siege for weeks.
Outgunned, wounded and starving, the fighters had become heroes to many Ukrainians, but were evacuated in what amounted to a surrender. President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine said the decision had been meant "to save the lives of our boys."
bigwheelzip
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Slovak Minister of Defense Jaroslav Naď has confirmed that currently, Ukrainian soldiers are training on the Slovak-made Zuzana 2 155mm 8x8 self-propelled howitzer. Slovakia to deliver 8 Zuzana 2 howitzers to Ukraine.
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And, a propos of recent events, when deployed against the Russians, on the shells will be written, "WOULD YOU LIKE FRIES WITH THAT?"
From a post on Twitter:
anna Liubakova
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Another huge loss for the #Belarus Kastus Kalinouski Battalion in Ukraine. During the operation to liberate the Ukrainian village from Russian occupation, the detachment commander Pavel "Volat" was heavily injured and died.
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Another huge loss for the #Belarus Kastus Kalinouski Battalion in Ukraine. During the operation to liberate the Ukrainian village from Russian occupation, the detachment commander Pavel "Volat" was heavily injured and died.
Seeing reports that Pavel "Volat", Company Commander of the Belarusian Kastuś Kalinoŭski battalion was killed in combat.
He was a leader of approximately a thousand Belarusian volunteers fighting Russians in Ukraine, as part of the Ukraine Foreign Legion.
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Sucks to be him!
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LVSteve
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Seeing reports that Pavel "Volat", Company Commander of the Belarusian Kastuś Kalinoŭski battalion was killed in combat.
He was a leader of approximately a thousand Belarusian volunteers fighting Russians in Ukraine, as part of the Ukraine Foreign Legion.
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Which just goes to show that not all Belorussians are are crazy as their president.
ACORN
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I'd hate to be a wounded Ukrainian POW. The Russians don't have much compassion for their own wounded, let alone a "defender of Nazis".
Putin's Russian commanders are slaughtering their own wounded soldiers, captured troops reveal | Daily Mail Online
bigwheelzip
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Yes. Ever since the Belarusian railroad workers destroyed their own equipment to stop Russia from using it, it's clear an organized resistance to Putin exists there.
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UncleEd
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Watched a lengthy clip from the
Russian state TV as an analyst
said things are NOT going so well
for the Russian army in Ukraine.
It was amusing how Putin's
favorite newscaster kept trying
to get him to discount the
professionalism of the Ukraine
army and its conscripts.
He stressed that a highly
patriotic army can be professional
even with conscripts.
Quite remarkable that it occurred
on Russian state Tv considering
the censorship exhibited in
previous weeks.
Russian state TV as an analyst
said things are NOT going so well
for the Russian army in Ukraine.
It was amusing how Putin's
favorite newscaster kept trying
to get him to discount the
professionalism of the Ukraine
army and its conscripts.
He stressed that a highly
patriotic army can be professional
even with conscripts.
Quite remarkable that it occurred
on Russian state Tv considering
the censorship exhibited in
previous weeks.
Absalom
SWCA Member, Absent Comrade
Belarus is an interesting factor.
As Europe's self-declared "last dictator", Lukashenko has been a reliable ally to Putin. That's mostly because in case of unrest or any threat to his regime, signs are that he cannot totally rely on his military and would have to depend on Russian military and security assistance to prop him up, which Putin has promised.
Most people are not aware that back under Yeltsin, in 1997, Russia and Belarus signed a "Treaty of Union" envisioning one state, a check which the Russians have been trying to cash but which Lukashenko isn't all that eager to honor. So he is walking a bit of a tightrope.
In February of this year, Lukashenko pushed through a constitutional change that allows Russian nuclear weapons to be stationed in Belarus. But the Belarussian army has not joined the Russians in Ukraine.
Experts think that one reason for that may be that because of the relatively small size of the Belarussian military, only about 60,000 total, going to war would mean mobilizing the reserves, and that would mean putting lots of AK's in the hands of reservists whose political reliability seems to be in grave doubt.
So for now, Belarussians are only fighting on the Ukrainian side, and that voluntarily.
From the WaPo Key Updates this morning:
Ukrainian officials said Monday evening that about 260 Ukrainian fighters, including 53 who were gravely wounded, were taken to Russian-held territory. It is not clear how many remain in the plant.
"After their condition stabilizes, we will exchange them for Russian prisoners of war," Ukrainian Deputy Prime Minister Iryna Vereshchuk said Tuesday. Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said Russian President Vladimir Putin had "guaranteed" that the fighters evacuated from the plant would "be treated consistent with the respective international laws," Russia's Interfax news agency reported.
I guess we'll have to see how that works out, but from Putin's comments I posted earlier (post #2103 ) let's hope it's true."After their condition stabilizes, we will exchange them for Russian prisoners of war," Ukrainian Deputy Prime Minister Iryna Vereshchuk said Tuesday. Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said Russian President Vladimir Putin had "guaranteed" that the fighters evacuated from the plant would "be treated consistent with the respective international laws," Russia's Interfax news agency reported.
Also:
ICC confirms 'largest ever' field deployment to probe war crimes in Ukraine
The International Criminal Court has sent a team of 42 investigators, forensic experts and support staff to Ukraine to probe potential war crimes, the court's chief prosecutor said in a statement Tuesday.
The group represents the "largest ever single field deployment" since the office began its work in 2003, ICC Prosecutor Karim Khan said in the statement. The team in Ukraine will work to advance the ICC's probe, which began in March, as well as the efforts of Ukrainian authorities to investigate Russian war crimes...
The group represents the "largest ever single field deployment" since the office began its work in 2003, ICC Prosecutor Karim Khan said in the statement. The team in Ukraine will work to advance the ICC's probe, which began in March, as well as the efforts of Ukrainian authorities to investigate Russian war crimes...
ACORN
Member
I hope it works out better for them than the disappearniks and the alleged GIs that vanished into the gulags.
I suspect (hope) we will see more prisoner swaps including all of the civilians they've taken hostage
Well, I hope that after the Ukrainians have won it back that we don't decide Russia gets to keep the land. We have dropped the ball on a coupla good allies through the years. It seems that after they are just about to win we decide to quit. I'm not criticizing anyone just hoping our leaders hold the tiller straight at the end.........
The Guarrdian and other sources are now reporting that the soldiers from Azovstal will, however. be interrogated to weed out any Nazis....
How many of the 313 steel plant prisiners will be releses alive, at best?
If Russia only sends 75% back......................
I think we need to play "Hard Ball" in returns.
If Russia only sends 75% back......................
I think we need to play "Hard Ball" in returns.
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