NJ slapped down in LEOSA case

[robertrwalsh]

New Jersey apparently has a long history of screwing with retired cops and an official policy of ignoring the LEOSA, insisting that it didn't apply in New Jersey. The New Jersey FOP and the Federal Law Enforcement Officers Association with help from the NRA-ILA and the Association of New Jersey Rifle and Pistol Club associations filed a federal suit, which was just decided. The court said very pointedly that the New Jersey permit requirements and prohibition on hollow point bullets for retired officers violate the federal Supremacy Clause. reference: Federal Law Enforcment Officers Association vs. Grewal.

 

[sigp220.45]

Thats a pretty interesting case. Once NJ realized they would probably lose, they changed their policy that federal retirees and officers who retired from non-NJ departments would have to get NJ permits to carry. They then argued that since they changed the policy the case was moot.

The court wasn’t having it though. Pretty much a slam dunk for the good guys.

 

[ISCS Yoda]

Excellent - a good week in court for the good guys. Not so much in the Congress but the courts will fix that junk, too.

 

[CH4]

Folks retire and actually move to NJ?
Sorry, just thinking out loud

 

[GaryS]

Some may drive through or visit relatives that still haven't completed their tunnels to get out.

Seriously though, in light of the Bruen decision there is little likelihood of a successful appeal. For that matter, non police officers should be able to carry hollow point ammunition now as well because of Bruen.

Folks retire and actually move to NJ?
Sorry, just thinking out loud

 

[CH4]

Some may drive through or visit relatives that still haven't completed their tunnels to get out.

Seriously though, in light of the Bruen decision there is little likelihood of a successful appeal. For that matter, non police officers should be able to carry hollow point ammunition now as well because of Bruen.

Hopefully everyone can now carry hollow points.

 

[Paul in Nevada]

I don't see this as a Second Amendment issue since it has nothing to do with gun rights for the people, only special privileges for retired gov't employees.

 

[Steve K]

Great news! I sometimes visit family there and it was always a touchy point to carry or not. I would lock my pistol in the truck while going through MD and NJ. I think the chances of getting NJ carry permit for LEOSA was slim to none so in essence LEOSA was still not recognized. Let's see how the NJ politicians handle this decision.

 

[lrrifleman]

Yesterday, the Gov. issued an executive order to all state authorities to identify as many locations as possible that could be designated as "gun free zones". Last night, the State AG directed all county prosecutors to process applications without requiring "justifiable need".

 

[Bald1]

Forgive my ignorance but I’m not sure what the fight was? Is anyone allowed to carry hollow points? Just cops? Please explain

 

[sigp220.45]

Forgive my ignorance but I’m not sure what the fight was? Is anyone allowed to carry hollow points? Just cops? Please explain

The fight was New Jersey ignoring federal law. LEOSA says qualified retired LEOs can carry anywhere in the US. NJ said no, you also need a NJ pistol permit. Also, no hollowpoints except for active LE. So three retired Feds sued. NJ saw they would lose, and changed the rule and claimed therefore the suit was no longer relevant. The court just ruled that moot point or not, NJ still had to follow federal law.

 

[Old cop]

Sadly my NJ buddy passed away so I no longer have any reason to go there. When we did visit I swapped out my HP ammo for FMJ and hoped my LEOSA certification would work IF I got stopped. Never could understand the reason for the HP restriction.

 

[ladder13]

Yesterday, the Gov. issued an executive order to all state authorities to identify as many locations as possible that could be designated as "gun free zones". Last night, the State AG directed all county prosecutors to process applications without requiring "justifiable need".

I’m sure Newark,Patterson and Camden are gun free zones.

 

[armadillo]

Folks retire and actually move to NJ?
Sorry, just thinking out loud

The cops in New York never want to retire because the "light-at-the-end-of-the-tunnel" is coming from New Jersey (the Garden State).

 

[ladder13]

Not that I want one with the minefield imposed, but NJ doing non resident licenses?


https://www.nj.gov/oag/dcj/agguide/...ements For Carrying Of Firearms In Public.pdf

 

[WR Moore]

Hopefully everyone can now carry hollow points.

I took two lessons away from my Constitutional Law class. The first one was don't be a test case. Even if you eventually "win", you've experienced major financial loss and aggravation as well as possible jail time. Let someone else get their name on an appellate decision.

 

[stansdds]

The bluest states are definitely making it nearly impossible to comply with all of their "shall issue" processing prerequisites.

 

[Sevens]

I consider myself exceptionally pro-Cop. This started in my formative shooting years hanging out with Flint City and Flint Twp cops who shot PPC at the club where I grew up. This has long since been re-affirmed as four of my favorite people in my life are cops… one a long time officer in a liberal suburb here locally, one that works in the very dirty part of the biggest city here and my best buddy who is a deputy in the county that may be the biggest local meth hub, and his first born son is fresh out of the Academy and started on the job in another suburb a couple months ago.

If you want a guy that is harshly Pro-Cop with zero LE experience of his own and none in my family growing up, I am exactly that guy.

At the same time…

Paul in Nevada nailed this in the X-ring with authority.

I don't see this as a Second Amendment issue since it has nothing to do with gun rights for the people, only special privileges for retired gov't employees.

Hear hear. Call it my own simple jealousy if that’s what ya need.

Definitely NOT even kinda suggesting that I think retired LE should be hassled out of state. I’m just Pro-2A I guess.

 

[Muley Gil]

Some may drive through or visit relatives that still haven't completed their tunnels to get out.

Seriously though, in light of the Bruen decision there is little likelihood of a successful appeal. For that matter, non police officers should be able to carry hollow point ammunition now as well because of Bruen.

The Commonwealth of Virginia REQUIRES armed security officers to carry hollow point ammo when on duty.

NJ law reminds me of the BS years ago when police officers were forbidden to carry HPs. Now the Powers in Charge in New Jersey want to deny better ammunition to non-police.

 

[WR Moore]

Good to know if some CA starts demonizing someone for using same.