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Is anyone aware of a current list of powders that are the same but packaged and marketed differently? We're all aware of 231/ HP-38, 296/H110, and 760/ H414, but there are likely a number of others as well. Again, I'm speaking of the same powder here, not those with a close burning rate.
 
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AA 11FS is 296 with a flash suppressant added but uses the same data, or did before Hodgdon bought Western. AA 4100 is a duplicate of Ramshot Enforcer made by PB Clermont in Belgium. As are AA 2230/Ramshot X-Terminator. HS-6 was a duplicate of W540 long discontinued as is the case for HS-7 and W570.
The newer W572 is supposed to fill the void of the last 2. It has pretty good potential so far as the handgun loads I've made with it. Hodgdon's data could certainly be better, but it's in a crowded group with CFE Pistol, HS-6 and Longshot.
Then there's the Shooter's World powders that are the same as what Accurate originally imported from the Czech Republic until they began having those powders made by St Marks in FLA. They're not quite identical and the former No 2 had more range than the current product and there are differences in the No 7s.
But I'll list them: Clean Shot is the former No2, Auto-Pistol is the former No 5, Major Pistol is the former No 7 with Heavy Pistol being the former No 9.
 
Thank you, TexasViking. I was primarily interested in those that were the same powder but packaged differently. I had forgotten about HS-6 &7 being the same as Win. 540 and 570.

Gunwriter and cast bullet expert C.E. Harris put together such a list years ago (the only one I can recall) but it's certainly outdated now; some of the powders listed probably haven't been made in some time.
 
You're certainly welcome! Not sure I covered them all, so maybe someone will post others if they exist.
Having wrote articles for 6 years or so for the Western blog, since discontinued by Hodgdon, as you might imagine, I have enough powder that I haven't had a need to explore many others. I did do an article for the Tom Gresham's Gun Talk site after being asked if I'd like to do one involving a sponsor or 2. IIRC, the Hodgdon Powders were W244, W572, CFE Pistol and Lonshot with, XTPs 115 & 147 gr. 9mm, 140 gr. .357 Mag and 200 gr. .45 ACP.
If I had them, I'd do some direct comparisons of the EXplosia/Lovex/Shooters World to the American made versions that replaced them. They also have a newer powder not previously imported, that I'd like to check out called Ultimate Pistol. It definitely shows some promise.
 
Here is what I have:

W231 = HP-38
W296 = H110
W540 = HS-6
W571 = HS-7 (both now discontinued)
W740 = H414
WAP = Silhouette

There are a few other (I think) but I can't recall right now.

Thanks! I said W570 instead of 571, but H414 is the equal of W760. There is no W740. There is a W748 although I'm not sure about a real Hodgdon equivalent. They do have a ball type that's pretty close though, but not sure if it's a duplicate. Kinda forgot to mention the other WIN/Hodgdons When Western/Accurate introduced 11FS they used W296/H110 data but don't know without checking if Hodgdon is holding to that. No reason they shouldn't according to what I was told by the folks at Western.
 
Thanks! I said W570 instead of 571, but H414 is the equal of W760. There is no W740. There is a W748 although I'm not sure about a real Hodgdon equivalent. They do have a ball type that's pretty close though, but not sure if it's a duplicate. Kinda forgot to mention the other WIN/Hodgdons When Western/Accurate introduced 11FS they used W296/H110 data but don't know without checking if Hodgdon is holding to that. No reason they shouldn't according to what I was told by the folks at Western.

You are correct. I messed up writing the numbers, yes it is W760 = H414. This is why when I post load data I usually post a warning that typos can and will happen, always double check the data.

Thank you, I will edit my post to correct it. (can't believe I did that)
 
See the information below collected by Dr. Boren, owner of the Handloading List - previously on Yahoo Groups, but now on Groups.io.

Side note: I looked through the Shootersworld data manual and found they specify the Lovex powders used under Shootersworld names.

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Identical Powders

Manufacturer Powder Manufacturer Powder

Hodgdon HP38 = Winchester W231

Hodgdon HS6 = Winchester W540

Hodgdon HS7 = Winchester W571

*These have been confirmed by Hodgdon. Be aware that there are always lot-to-lot
differences in powders, and while the powders may be identical, when switching
from one to its analog, the handloader should work the load up from 10% below max
(unless advised otherwise by the manufacturer) as with any new load.

Confirmed on p. 29, 'Handloader', No. 254. HP38 also confirmed in the Hodgdon 229
Annual Manual, p. 48, first column. This same column also says that

Hodgdon H110 = Winchester W296

Winchester SMP224 = Winchester AutoComp


This information (and the above) is also confirmed in Handloader, No. 262 (Oct 09); which also states that

Hodgdon H414 = Winchester W760

HL 273 (August 2011, p. 59) and HL 286 (Oct/Nov 2013, p. 14) both state-

Accurate 2700 = Winchester W760 and Hodgdon H414



Another issue of HL (No. 248, p. 26; and No. 282, p. 16) states-

Ramshot Silhouette = Winchester Action Pistol

Accurate 2230 = Ramshot X-Terminator

Examining load data in the Western Powders Load Manual Ed. 5.0.1, I find that data for Accurate 2230 and Ramshot X-Terminator is identical. (Upd. 3-11-14)
Lane Pearce says that AA2230 and Ramshot X-Terminator are the same powder (Shooting Times, July 2015, p. 25).


Norma MRP = Alliant Reloder 22

(Handloader 289, p. 13, Brian Pearce)



The following ADI to Hodgdon Equivalents was found on the internet. I have not directly verified these with either Hodgdon or ADI. In the QuickLoad software program, data for these equivalents are indeed identical, which supports the claim that they are the same.

ADI | Hodgdon Equivalent

AS30N = Clays
AP50N (no match)
AS50N = International
AP70N = Universal
AP100 (no match)
AR2205 = H4227
AR2207 = H4198
Bench Mark1 (no match)
AR2219 = H322
Bench Mark2 = BenchMark
AR2206 (no match)
AR2206H = H4895
AR2208 = Varget
AR2209 = H4350
AR2213 (discontinued)
AR2213SC = H4831sc
AR2217 = H1000
AR2225 = Retumbo
AR2218 = H50BMG

 
You are correct. I messed up writing the numbers, yes it is W760 = H414. This is why when I post load data I usually post a warning that typos can and will happen, always double check the data.

Thank you, I will edit my post to correct it. (can't believe I did that)

No problem and I believe I was ahead of you on a typo saying W570 instead of 571. I'll blame that on the number of years it and HS-7 have been discontinued, and I forgot to consider WIN/Hodgdon rifle powders!
 
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See the information below collected by Dr. Boren, owner of the Handloading List - previously on Yahoo Groups, but now on Groups.io.

Side note: I looked through the Shootersworld data manual and found they specify the Lovex powders used under Shootersworld names.

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Identical Powders

Manufacturer Powder Manufacturer Powder

Hodgdon HP38 = Winchester W231

Hodgdon HS6 = Winchester W540

Hodgdon HS7 = Winchester W571

*These have been confirmed by Hodgdon. Be aware that there are always lot-to-lot
differences in powders, and while the powders may be identical, when switching
from one to its analog, the handloader should work the load up from 10% below max
(unless advised otherwise by the manufacturer) as with any new load.

Confirmed on p. 29, 'Handloader', No. 254. HP38 also confirmed in the Hodgdon 229
Annual Manual, p. 48, first column. This same column also says that

Hodgdon H110 = Winchester W296

Winchester SMP224 = Winchester AutoComp


This information (and the above) is also confirmed in Handloader, No. 262 (Oct 09); which also states that

Hodgdon H414 = Winchester W760

HL 273 (August 2011, p. 59) and HL 286 (Oct/Nov 2013, p. 14) both state-

Accurate 2700 = Winchester W760 and Hodgdon H414



Another issue of HL (No. 248, p. 26; and No. 282, p. 16) states-

Ramshot Silhouette = Winchester Action Pistol

Accurate 2230 = Ramshot X-Terminator

Examining load data in the Western Powders Load Manual Ed. 5.0.1, I find that data for Accurate 2230 and Ramshot X-Terminator is identical. (Upd. 3-11-14)
Lane Pearce says that AA2230 and Ramshot X-Terminator are the same powder (Shooting Times, July 2015, p. 25).


Norma MRP = Alliant Reloder 22

(Handloader 289, p. 13, Brian Pearce)



The following ADI to Hodgdon Equivalents was found on the internet. I have not directly verified these with either Hodgdon or ADI. In the QuickLoad software program, data for these equivalents are indeed identical, which supports the claim that they are the same.

ADI | Hodgdon Equivalent

AS30N = Clays
AP50N (no match)
AS50N = International
AP70N = Universal
AP100 (no match)
AR2205 = H4227
AR2207 = H4198
Bench Mark1 (no match)
AR2219 = H322
Bench Mark2 = BenchMark
AR2206 (no match)
AR2206H = H4895
AR2208 = Varget
AR2209 = H4350
AR2213 (discontinued)
AR2213SC = H4831sc
AR2217 = H1000
AR2225 = Retumbo
AR2218 = H50BMG


Really great and detailed list. Wasn't sure that AA 2700 was a W760 duplicate although I knew they are very similar. I've been using Silhouette so long that I sometimes forget to mention that it was formerly sold as WAP even though I got that directly from their ballistician in 2001, IIRC.
There is also an issue, unless it's been resolved, with Hodgdon no longer being able to import some of the ADI powders that forced them to switch to GD Canada for their supply.
 
Did anyone ever resurrect or duplicate the old Win 473-AA?

I formerly used this ball powder for 20 gauge skeet loads but I quite loading shotshells 32 years ago and a couple years ago I started using this stuff for .45 Auto and I've been happy with it.

Visually, I've never used another powder that looks like it. It's a very light colored silvery-gray, almost looks like someone ground up very new concrete.
 
In regard to Norma MRP and Alliant RL22, I'm not sure they are exact duplicates. Sometimes the same is said in regard to N203B and RL15. N203B is just very slightly slower burning and has better temperature stability. Is the discontinued N203, which N203B replaced the same as RL15? I can't say for sure. Bofors in Sweden makes several rifle powders for Alliant, and what I was told by Rob Behr when Western began to import Norma powders is that the Norma powders which are the Bofors branded version, go through slightly more rigorous steps in manufacturing and quality control than what they sell to Alliant. Considering the price difference between the 2 brands that seems very plausible. Another pair which are sometimes stated as identical, while they are not, are N204 and RL19. And as yet, Alliant doesn't have an alternate for Norma URP.
 
BL-C(2) = WC846
H335 = WC844

Also I didn't see it mentioned but I think HS-5 = Winchester 473
 
I've read that I4227 is the same as H4227. Anybody else?

I think it's an I. I haven't written or read anything but 4227 in a while.

Prescut

Unfortunately, they're not unless something has changed recently. I believe they are both made by GD Canada with IMR 4227 being slightly faster burning.
 
I'm not sure 473 and HS-5 are the same. They surely don't appear to be the same. I have quite a bit of both
 
I'm not sure 473 and HS-5 are the same. They surely don't appear to be the same. I have quite a bit of both

That would definitely be the best comparison. HS-5 was still around and in load data when I started and looks like Skeet 028 started before I did. It was on it's way out while 473 AA stuck around a little longer, IIRC. It and 452 AA were replaced by the "Super" line of powders. I think WSF in the case of 473 AA.
Back then, there wasn't much disclosure about the WIN and Hodgdon equivalents, and when there was, it was mostly coming from handloaders who were using both W231/HP38 and W296/H110. Looking back at data from the Lyman 46th and the SPEER No 11 from the 1980s when a WIN or a Hodgdon equivalent was used in the data, the other version was not
HS-5 had to have come from an existing WIN powder, because WIN owned and operated the plant back the Hodgdons came from. In handgun loads there was a lot of carryover and similar performance between HS-5 and HS-6. In the SPEER No 11, for their lead 158 gr. bullets, both HS-5 and HS-6 are listed and at near duplicate velocity with only a .1 difference in their powder charges. IIRC, HS-5 had a reputation for being a bit harder to ignite with a SPM primer usually recommended.
Hodgdon would likely answer what WIN powder HS-5 was equivalent to since they're long discontinued. Titegroup is another one that sees some speculation. I've seen it said that it is a relabeled version of a former WIN powder, but not sure that's the case. 453 AA was mentioned.
 

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