Electric vehicles...

[coltle6920]

We the common people are basically not getting a choice in this area.

The bourgeoisie, that are running this side show are forcing EV on us.

"The term "bourgeoisie" usually is politically and sociologically synonymous with the ruling upper class of a capitalist society."
Quote Google

Looking down instead of forward....

And by "we" I meant the "powers that be" because they aren't looking at what needs to be done before their goal can be accomplished.

 

[coltle6920]

My daughter and SIL in California have a 2017 Nissan Leaf they use for a 25 mile daily commute - they charge it at home from 11 pm to 7 am. In 3 years, no problems of any kind. And no maintenance beyond tire rotation.

Isn't that the vehicle where the brakes work with recharging it?

 

[biku324]

Isn't that the vehicle where the brakes work with recharging it?

Dunno much about it.

 

[ladder13]

this is very true.
Aside from spraying water at a few hundred volts worth of high current power, you have an element in the same class as sodium involved here. Lithium gets busy with water. very busy.
The motor and controller systems are extraordinary, but that energy storage portion is a problem. Enough of one that it may improve the past reputation of the Ford Pinto rather significantly.

Despite all the book work, firefighters are having a heck of a time getting these fires under control.
Nothing like live training, but who is going to donate a $50,000 EV to have cut up or set on fire?

And even when you think you know, it ain’t easy.

Turnout gear and members go to decon.

 

[coltle6920]

This SNL parody cracks me up...

Mercedes trolluje branżę elektrycznych samochod'ow w SNL. - YouTube

That's hilarious but it's probably like Christmas tree lights where you don't know which one needs replacing.

 

[LVSteve]

Isn't that the vehicle where the brakes work with recharging it?

Most EVs have a system to recover power (often called regenerative braking or regen) when braking, but there are regular brakes too. Regen just requires you to lift off the accelerator altogether. I think the regen system also operates the brake lights. Aggressive regen is like drive a diesel stick shift. You lift off and there is quite a bit a braking. In the motoring magazines they call it one pedal driving, although not all regen systems will bring you to a stop.

 

[ameridaddy]

They charge once a week, sometimes twice. They figure it costs them 40 to 60 bucks a month to charge, but that varies because they fitted their home with roof solar panels that reduce their electricity cost to 35 to 85 dollars monthly.

Their insurance is about 32 bucks more than their 2019 gas car (about the same retail value).

It hasn't exploded and burned in the past few years.

There are about 276 million vehicles in the USA. If all were battery operated and needed charging in a pattern similar to your friends' car, what happens to our grid? Consider also, unlike your friends' car, many of those vehicles run 20,000 miles and more/year.
We're no where near ready for this rush to go all-electric.

 

[UncleEd]

I think this is the second discussion within
a month or so about the EVs.

This one has almost exactly the same postings
as the last one.

I love them.

And by 2050 EVs will be the norm around
the world.

 

[coltle6920]

My daughter and SIL in California have a 2017 Nissan Leaf they use for a 25 mile daily commute - they charge it at home from 11 pm to 7 am. In 3 years, no problems of any kind. And no maintenance beyond tire rotation.

That's nice but too many people have further to travel on a daily basis and many more don't live in an area where solar panels can be a viable way to produce electricity to help with household needs let alone an EV.

 

[ameridaddy]

this is very true.
Aside from spraying water at a few hundred volts worth of high current power, you have an element in the same class as sodium involved here. Lithium gets busy with water. very busy.
The motor and controller systems are extraordinary, but that energy storage portion is a problem. Enough of one that it may improve the past reputation of the Ford Pinto rather significantly.

Our local airport, Richmond International (RIC) has signs posted at every entrance to their parking decks, (paraphrasing from memory)
Absolutely no Chevrolet Bolts or any other EV's allowed in the parking deck. All violators will be towed immediately.

Sounds like a pretty hot problem.

 

[coltle6920]

One thing I see in this thread is a refusal to admit that most pickups are owned by people who will never tow or go off road. The Ford Lightning is absolutely aimed at those people. Do you get it now?

Currently they use a pickup around town when any sensible person would use a Honda Civic or Accord. But, they have to have a pickup "just in case", riding around at 17 mpg with gas at nearly $5/gallon (at least out here). Just leaves me shaking my head. Those people are all over getting them a Lightning like white on rice. Ford are sold out already

You are mostly right but what you see doesn't account for truck usage in many other States. Trucks are a workhorse for many people who own farms or businesses.

Besides, without trucks we would never have had Country Music.

 

[ladder13]

10 years of NFPA videos and still we have problems.

Oh, be careful where you cut too, it’s shocking.

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDtBvQH0R7I[/ame]

 

[bigwheelzip]

Already have the personalized license plate picked out: HNDNBRG

Hindenburg is small potatoes. Viking Cruise Line is building 6 new ships with fuel-cell propulsion. They will be used to cruise Norway's fjords, where air polluting ships will be banned in 2026.

Sent from my motorola one 5G using Tapatalk

 

[coltle6920]

I like the idea of electric vehicles, but for those of us who like to take road trips they are not practical - yet. When they finally come up with batteries that will charge about as quickly as refilling a gas tank with near equal range and charging stations as ubiquitous as gas stations are now they will be ready for prime time. It will happen, but I'm not sure I'll live to see it.

A hybrid? Yeah, I could live with that.

It seems to me that no matter what you drove the mileage per tank used to be about 300miles. Smaller vehicles had smaller tanks but got better mileage. Larger vehicles had bigger tanks but worse mileage. Might have accounted for how far apart gas stations were on the Interstate.

 

[zeke]

I don't have a dog in this hunt, but if the power goes off for hours or days, the pumps at the gas station don't work either.

Rotary Hand-Operated Fuel Transfer Pump with Pail Spout

ya, i remember the fuel shortages in the 70's

 

[coltle6920]

You will get my Shelby Cobra when you pry my cold dead hands from the steering wheel.

And it will look just as good taking up space in your garage when you can no longer drive it.

 

[coltle6920]

It never has. They've lived there since 2003. If they suddenly couldn't charge, they'd use their hybrid.

It never has yet...

Knock on wood!

 

[zeke]

Flooded Tesla EVs From Hurricane Ian Exploding All Over Florida

Apparently after they get wet, they get even more dangerous. Tough getting around up here without 4wd combined with some ground clearance in the winter, unless ya wait a couple of days. And you can forget the out door range for a good part of the year.

 

[ladder13]

I think this is the second discussion within
a month or so about the EVs.

…...

Long way to catch up to the half dozen, all closed, and counting, Ukraine threads.

 

[coltle6920]

It still is. Has Ford said it is stopping the sale of gas/diesel trucks? I keep a close watch on the motoring media, and I've yet to see that announcement from anybody. Yes, a couple of luxury makes are planning to go all electric, but it's not tomorrow or the day after.

This will all find its own level. When the real cost of bringing high speed chargers to all corners of America is properly calculated, there will be that "Ah! Maybe not so much" moment. It has already happened for that other thing that supposedly is a right according to the UN, high-speed Internet. It's not happening everywhere, nor will electric cars.

Maybe you should split some of your time into looking at political news like what California is doing. Sure you can buy a gas vehicle out of State but what's to say that wont change in the future. None of us will be around to see how this plays out.

You say it's "not tomorrow or the day after" but you have to admit that it's the direction we are heading.