My daughter was assaulted

[venomballistics]

Sorry to suggest the following, but.

Perhaps it is time for someone to open up a BIG can of *** whoop on the doer. It looks like that will be the only thing he understands.

Again I don't approve of unnecessary violence but drastic events call for drastic responses.

We are not close enough to the incident to make a truly informed call here ... but it seems to be a question of whether the violence in question is, or is not necessary. It could be.

An aside to this is something else I've often pondered.
In this day and age, going to college to become a teacher just does not seem to be a rational act. To be laden by the crushing student loan debit only to babysit the often maladjusted monsters of others at a rate of pay that'll leave you struggling for most of your life repaying the loan has left this field rather nonviable.

 

[biku324]

My wife's life was threatened by a teacher in 2016. She was working in Occupational Therapy, and often went into special ed classrooms to get her patients. One new SPED teacher, in her mid-40s, was very harsh to the kids; my wife and her aides were on the verge of reporting the SPED teacher. Suddenly, the SPED teacher was gone; my wife thought nothing of it, assuming a parent or aide had gone to the administration and that they removed the teacher.

A week or more later, a police detective asked to talk to her at school. He began to ask questions about the SPED teacher and seemed confused by my wife's answers. He finally said, "Do you know why I'm here?" She said 'no,' and he was the FIRST person to tell her the SPED teacher told an aide that she was going to kill my wife and was going to buy a gun at Wal-Mart that night to do it (she did go to Wal-Mart, but was surpised to find no handguns for sale).

Not my wife's supervisor, who she saw several times daily, nor anyone from administration said one word to her, as they wanted to keep it quiet.

That was her last hour at that school system - she retired.

 

[ZGrand]

My daughter is the same age, and has been teaching high school ever since graduating college. She has had a couple of students get in her face and talk back, but fortunately nothing violent. I don't blame you for being angry. Hopefully being home for the holidays will help your daughter to heal emotionally.

 

[GypsmJim]

My wife is a secondary teacher in an upper middle class neighborhood. She comes home every day with similar stores, though she has not personally been assaulted. Every day I tell her she needs to retire for good, but it falls on deaf ears. She simply likes the kids. Most are good. It's just a few rotten apples in the barrel.

IMHO, although it might not be the right thing to do, is simply let it go. The bad ones usually have parents that are even worse. They will defend their brat no matter what he does. Talking legal action is likely to make them even madder. If you make the kid's life a problem, there is too much likelihood that they will take harmful action against you.

If the kid goes to jail or the parents are sued, when the father comes and shoots you, or throws a Molotov cocktail thru your front window, now YOU are the loser.

I realize not doing anything just adds to bad behavior, but your own safety should come first.

 

[Onomea]

Biku, very sorry to hear of your wife's experience.

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... In this day and age, going to college to become a teacher just does not seem to be a rational act. To be laden by the crushing student loan debit only to babysit the often maladjusted monsters of others at a rate of pay that'll leave you struggling for most of your life repaying the loan has left this field rather nonviable......

My second son is a middle school teacher. He chose the career after an unsatisfying ten years in the corporate world because he believes that for him it is a way to make a meaningful difference in people's lives, to have a carreer that has the potential to make a contribution towards a better world.

He's probably making less than half of what he was as a businessman/office worker. And he loves it.

But, he is an intrnational school teacher with, so far, two-year stints in Quito, Xiamen, and Bangkok. His students, I am sure, are much better behaved than most of their American public school counterparts.

Below is a WaPo article about a Phillipine teacher trying to teach students in the US. It is depressing reading. It seems a near impossible task.

An American education

Amid a historic U.S. teacher shortage, a 'Most Outstanding Teacher' from the Philippines tries to help save a struggling school in rural Arizona.

By Eli Saslow

https://wapo.st/3VgdYNP

 

[Puller]

Yes. As emotionally satisfying as sending the punk to the hospital would be, all kinds of bad legal problems would be likely with that path.

Which is why I like the idea of consulting a lawyer to see what the options are as to forcing the system to do the right thing.

You are right of course.

But, there are other ways this can be handled, you just can't tell anyone else. When thugs don't comply with the rules of civilized society the remedy is sometimes outside the rules as well.

 

[fordson]

Lawyer….. At least talk to one to see if a case can be made…..

 

[Nevada Ed]

Your schools board and members need to pull their heads ot of the sand
and start cleaning up the "Mess" that has filled their school rooms.

Post rules that need to be followed or you get tossed out of school.

It worked in the old days, even after they put the gloves on the teachers.

 

[Squarebutt]

So sorry to hear of this. As others have said, it's a changed culture, and not for the better.
My wife taught in public schools until she retired. She had some wise guys give her a little backtalk, but she was never assaulted. Good thing, too, because our three big sons would have pulverized someone.
If the system doesn't deal with this punk, then your daughter should work the system to her advantage. If that kid is still there after the holidays she needs to tell the principal she's suffering from PTSD, hop in her car and go home. In our state she would be paid her full salary. Meantime it wouldn't hurt to consult a lawyer and maybe talk to a mental health professional just to establish a paper trail.
Wishing all your family a blessed and peaceful Christmas.

 

[Bald1]

I assume that she is a member of a teachers union. What's their position? They should be providing legal assistance and advise for your daughter. Where I am, there are police officers assigned to the schools. They take care of any criminal charges in situations like that. I've never heard of a teacher being assaulted here that didn't result in the assailant being removed from the school and criminal charges. This isn't anything new. It has been happening forever. What is new is the ambivalence from the people who run the school systems and their incompetence in dealing with this kind of kid. I hope your daughter is ok. No one goes into the teaching profession to get rich. I'm sure she does it because she was called to it. Hopefully, this won't ruin her love for it.

My wife is a secondary teacher in an upper middle class neighborhood. She comes home every day with similar stores, though she has not personally been assaulted. Every day I tell her she needs to retire for good, but it falls on deaf ears. She simply likes the kids. Most are good. It's just a few rotten apples in the barrel.

IMHO, although it might not be the right thing to do, is simply let it go. The bad ones usually have parents that are even worse. They will defend their brat no matter what he does. Talking legal action is likely to make them even madder. If you make the kid's life a problem, there is too much likelihood that they will take harmful action against you.

If the kid goes to jail or the parents are sued, when the father comes and shoots you, or throws a Molotov cocktail thru your front window, now YOU are the loser.

I realize not doing anything just adds to bad behavior, but your own safety should come first.

Wow Jim. I would not have expected that response from you. Turning the other cheek after stating last week you would stay in NY and fight the good fight and not be run off. Two different scenarios I know. But these are the kind of kids schools are turning out. Liberal educational system letting kids run amuck.

 

[McGivern]

My daughter teaches high school in Florida and this sort of thing is always in the back of my mind. Her husband is a sheriff so I pity the punk that would do something like this to her.

 

[pharmer]

...... If your daughter has a husband/boyfriend he should pay a visit to students home. ...... I couldn't sit there while a woman was assaulted. I can say the same for my son and step son…

1) No, just no. Jail or lawsuit is the only outcome of a "home visit."
2) If a student uses physical "action" even to help, the student will face consequences.

I recently finished 15 years teaching in a local High School and all I can say is she is young enough and smart (degree, shows she can complete endless tasks) that a quality employer will be lucky to get her. Out now. Sorry to hear this but it has become routine. Merry Christmas. Joe

 

[lkabug]

This behavior is becoming increasingly common.
An attorney needs to be involved, the school system needs to be put on notice that they must protect their staff. They had prior knowledge and did nothing.

 

[twodog max]

The school and the school board are at some fault in all these cases but the true blame is on the people in this country that have stopped discipline in not only schools but in the home. Add into this the culture of victimhood that allows thugs and thugs parents to allow their young hoodlums to run free.
We all know who the parties responsible for this are but are not allowed to say so. They are above reproach.

 

[ancient-one]

My daughter was a teacher starting in the early 60's. She loved it until this country began to change. At first when you had a disruptive student they were sent to the principal who applied the proper punishment. Things changed and there was little or no punishment so there was little discipline.
She taught until the day she could take early retirement and is a much happier person. There are things that she has told me that if she had told me at the time, I would have probably been in jail. Some parents were as bad or worse than the kids.

 

[jimmyj]

Skip the educational system. make two appointments: one with an private attorney and the second with the State Attorney Office. Then check often with each to see what progess is being made. The Teachers Union should also have an Attorney.

 

[HOUSTON RICK]

My father would have killed me, if I were the student. I remember some students talking back, but I never saw a teacher assaulted. I will not hold my breath but I hope the student apologizes someday.

 

[somorris]

So sorry to hear about this. I admire those who enjoy teaching.

 

[7.62match]

Maybe time for a trip to the train station.

 

[Doug627]

I worked as a juvenile prosecutor for a year. The juvenile courts were originally created to "help" wayward youngsters to return to the straight and narrow. Therefore, as a juvenile works his/her way through the system the courts will exhaust every avenue to "save" the child. They will be sent to counsellors, psychologists, children's services, and everything they can before locking them up. They are not viewed as criminals. They will be identified as unruly or delinquent. They will not be tried in a criminal court. Their records are privileged and they will be sealed upon reaching adulthood. What your daughter should do is see a psychologist and get a real diagnosis. She may very well be suffering from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. Consulting an attorney is an excellent idea. You said she has made numerous complaints about this student before the assault. This sounds like she has a case against the administrators and school board for failing to protect her. A letter from an attorney may grease the wheels to get this little thug out of the school. Also, if your daughter is diagnosed with an emotional or psychological condition, she may be able to retire early and receive disability and her pension. A lawsuit against the child and his parents may also be a consideration. However, the parents' liability may not be very much. Ohio has statutes regarding this. I don't know about your state. A judgment against the child is pretty worthless at present but you could keep the judgment active and get him sometime into the future. The judgment will accrue interest. All this should be discussed with an attorney ASAP. Doing something to the child will come back on whoever does that. Do not confront the parents or go to their home.