Too new! University of Vienna only just started testing Lithium Ceramic batteries in April 2023! Don't know about the other two battery types…
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Too new! University of Vienna only just started testing Lithium Ceramic batteries in April 2023! Don't know about the other two battery types…
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U o V is late to the party. I've known of this tech for at LEAST 4 years. The general group of batteries of this type are projected to have a 70 year life cycle and possible charge times as low as 10 minutes. Even if the life cycle is just half that in actual practice, the car itself becomes an honest deal. They are not prone to damage from complete discharge and remain stable even when damaged. I've seen demonstrations of these cells under load while being cut in half. These early samples did it without catching fire.
That's what we need to complete the car.
The charging infrastructure .. that's missing some important parts yet.
Most folks in most places -- like Caifornia? They have rolling brown-outs now. The power grid wouldn't support that kind of demand. You keep saying that the EV owners you know are happy. I have no doubt that's true. Call it "experience" if you will, but it's anecdotal evidence. They are an extremely small sample of drivers. And they selected those vehicles from a variety of options, presumably based on their particular circumstances and needs. So it's no surprise that they'd be happy with their CHOICES. To suggest that the vast majority of people would be happy to have those choices forced upon them is like saying a restaurant can survive serving only liver and onions because most people you know who order that enjoy it.
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Nobody has yet mentioned the problems associated with getting adequate supplies of graphite to make all those batteries. All everyone talks about is Lithium. Just a moment....
There are some interesting opportunities for investing in graphite production as few yet consider it as being an essential material in short supply. But sooner or later they will.
There are some interesting opportunities for investing in graphite production as few yet consider it as being an essential material in short supply. But sooner or later they will.
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Given the drop in pencil usage, maybe the folks at Ticonderoga can shift production.
Pencil sales increased after John Wick 2.
Uh huh. And after the fertile fields are covered, and we dig for all the copper required, and dump the hundreds of millions of 1/2 ton dead batteries, where do we get our food grown?
I have to ask - is that actually thoroughly planned out, by whom, with real, hard numbers all along the life path of those batteries, panels and wind propellers, or is it wished for like fairy dust?
I've yet to see a comprehensive plan, beginning to end, with milestones and numbers associated with it. Sorry to be skeptical, but I've seen too many mandates decreed without much forethought.
"When you can measure what you are speaking about, and express it in numbers, you know something about it, when you cannot express it in numbers, your knowledge is of a meager and unsatisfactory kind; it may be the beginning of knowledge, but you have scarely, in your thoughts advanced to the stage of science." ― Lord Kelvin
At one time it was to maintain a state of readiness ,with today's leader ship that no longer matters.
Sancho Panza lives! But the Don tilts at windmills without ceasing.
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California is where my daughter and SIL are, near Monterrey. They've used their 2017 cheapo Nissan Leaf daily since 2018 for a 25 mile daily commute with no problems of any kind. None. Other than people shaking their heads at how ugly it is, of course. Their long distance car is a hybrid.
A church member friend from El Paso has the Ford pickup EV and loves it for around town. Of the 6 or 7 EV owners I know, all are satisfied. But what do they know, I guess.
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So! The Lithium-Ion battery was developed in 1977, but wasn't commercially available to the general public until 1985…
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GREAT question!
Yeah, investing in 3D PRINTING is investing in the technology of how to USE the materials in manufacturing. That still doesn't address the question of where the materials have to be sourced from - where they come from to begin with. Get a clue!
Yeah, in OUR country. The war on coal you speak of is only applicable to the FIRST World counties, like the USA.
China and other third world countries who don't give a rat's patootie about carbon emissions are still building and bringing dozens of NEW coal-fired electrical plants online every year. So, other than putting ourselves at a HUGE disadvantage, exactly what are we accomplishing by severely curtailing OUR carbon emissions?
The United States also produces Rare Earth Metals, but just not in the same capacity that the CCP does! The CCP is the world's largest producer of Rare Earth Metals, with Russia coming in a close second. The United States is the sixth largest producer, and countries 3 (Australia) and 4 (Brazil) have economic alliance with the U.S…
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Yes, because the chemistry was, and remains as stable as an ex girlfriend.
They must be held to very strict operating conditions.
Chipsets and safety devices had to be developed in order for them to achieve a reasonable level of safety in a real world full of users oblivious to all the risks involved. The average user is oblivious to it's discharge limit voltage, charge rate limits, storage state and maximum discharge rate for a given percentage of remaining charge. Few actually know that it is not a constant figure. Few know they are time bombs if left in a state of overcharge.
Despite all the measures taken, they're still burning down homes.
These new types do not suffer from all these issues despite having similar chemical properties. As such, they can be fast tracked to production.
Any safety devices required can be adapted from the lithium ion parts bin.
The real issue is the projected life cycle of 70 years.
Manufactures don't like making products they'll only get to sell once.
Yeah, being the SIXTH largest producer of rare earth minerals, and at the same time being potentially THE largest consumer of those same rare earth minerals, leaves us in the very vulnerable position of being completely dependent on those who have the rare earth minerals we need, but are unable to supply for ourselves.
And as you have clearly pointed out, the two entities who have the most abundant supplies of those resources - the entities that we will have to depend on to supply us with those rare earth minerals - are our two greatest adversaries, the CCP and Russia.
As we so clearly saw during the pandemic, relying on our main political and economic rivals for essential materials and supplies is a VERY BAD IDEA. It leaves us in position of being held hostage by those who do NOT have our best interests at heart.
Thank you so much for pointing out the folly of our country's current policy trajectory.
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That's why in 2021, the US decided to 3D replicate rare earth metals as a means of weaning ourselves off of those dependent supply countries that don't meet our strategic interests…
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OK, this is a bit, right?
DUDE! We can't "replicate" rare earth metals - or anything else for that matter. Not by 3D printing or by any other means using our current technology. WTH are you talking about?!?
"Replication" - i.e. CREATING something from nothing, that's a Star Trek sci-fi fantasy!
We may be able to PROCESS rare earth metals into a usable form (as in manufacturing a battery) using a 3D printing process - maybe.
BUT you can't CREATE rare earth metals that way, or any other way, using current technology. Rare earth metals like lithium and cobalt have to be MINED (dug) out of the earth. They can't be synthesized out of thin air by some kind of "replicator".
What kind of fantasy world do you live in?
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