Some things I miss, and others I don't about the UK

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During my recent trip to the UK, I was reminded of a few things that I miss.

1) Loooong summer evenings. While we were there the Sun was up before 0500 for all you crazy early people, and didn't set until after 2100 for us civilized folks. Just wonderful, even when the weather isn't that great.

2) Passing only allowed on the offside, equivalent to passing only allowed on the left in the US. By law, you go to the lane nearest the kerb when it's open. Oh yes, I hear the whining about not wanting to drive in the "truck lane" already. Don't worry, they do the same in the UK.:D

3) Good English cafe cooking. I know, the UK doesn't have much of a rep for the culinary arts, but a good cafe meal of well prepared simple food takes some beating. My wife and I stopped in a little cafe for lunch one day, she had fish and chips, and I had Shepherds Pie. Both meals were prepared to perfection. No overseasoning, no attempts to make it some kind of fru-fru dish that it could never be. Place was run by a family of Turkish extraction who reverse commute 31 miles out of London every day.

4) Trains and subways. They're the only way to travel to/in an old city not built for the car. Where we were staying the line into London has regular trains that are clean, air conditioned and reliable. Not all the lines are as good. The improvements made to the London Underground while I've been away have been worth every penny. All that said...see #1 in next list below.


Now, the things I don't miss about the UK, not one bit.

1) Where we were much of the time, it was people everywhere. Recall that the UK is smaller than Nevada and has a population of over 66 million, and most of them live in the southern third. Under the press of that horde even supposedly rural places seemed to be full of people, even on weekdays when you might expect them to be working. In London we got on the Tube one day just as the early afternoon rush was starting. It wasn't pretty. What full on rush hour is like these days I shudder to think.

2) Speed cameras. The bloody things are everywhere, both instant and average speed type using automatic number plate recognition (ANPR). Their omnipresence has led to the development of some maddening driving habits on Britain divided highways. Then you get road safety types whining on TV every day that the speed limit is not a target to strive for when traveling. Sorry, but once I passed 50 years of age, I ran out of time to waste traveling 10 mph under. Idiots.

3) Further to speed cameras is the apparent acceptance of a surveillance society by the UK population, not that they were given a choice. Some of you may think it's bad in places in the US, but frankly you have no clue. CCTV is freaking everywhere and even expected by many these days. If you're the type who likes to give the cameras the finger, you'd be worn out by mid-morning unless you stayed stood in the middle of a field. It's got to the point where the police have objected to the renewal of pub and club licenses because the building doesn't have enough CCTV in their opinion. The licensing authorities usually go along with these objections, by and large. I find it disgusting.

4) The corollary to the long summer evenings are the short winter days. There's a good reason why the UK often shuts shop for two weeks for Christmas and New Year. People take don't like going to work in the near dark, and coming home in the pitch black. Throw in some gloomy overcast with rain and you can see why we used to go into a short hibernation that time of year.
 
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The food, drink, friends, dating, museums, walkability, public transport, and plenty more I miss about London. I'd jump at the chance to go back to work there for longer but don't think I could live there.
 
We were stationed at Brize Norton AFB early 60s. I went to grammar school there for 2 years. When a fire truck with the siren wailing would go by the school, it was time for a fire drill!
I remember it being a LOT colder than Lackland AFB in San Antonio where we had been before England. I picked up a nasty accent that I got teased a lot about when we returned stateside.
 
One forgets just how far north the UK is. I was in Montauk one Thanksgiving and the shortness of the days at that time of year and latitude damn near killed me. Another thing I am not used to is the twilight one gets at the northern latitudes. I'm on the 30th parallel and it goes from light to dark rather quickly whereas when I was up north on the upper peninsula I could not get over the twilight.
Scotland is absolutely on my bucket list.
 
Now, the things I don't miss about the UK, not one bit.

1) Where we were much of the time, it was people everywhere. Recall that the UK is smaller than Nevada and has a population of over 66 million, and most of them live in the southern third. Under the press of that horde even supposedly rural places seemed to be full of people, even on weekdays when you might expect them to be working. In London we got on the Tube one day just as the early afternoon rush was starting. It wasn't pretty. What full on rush hour is like these days I shudder to think.

2) Speed cameras. The bloody things are everywhere, both instant and average speed type using automatic number plate recognition (ANPR). Their omnipresence has led to the development of some maddening driving habits on Britain divided highways. Then you get road safety types whining on TV every day that the speed limit is not a target to strive for when traveling. Sorry, but once I passed 50 years of age, I ran out of time to waste traveling 10 mph under. Idiots.

3) Further to speed cameras is the apparent acceptance of a surveillance society by the UK population, not that they were given a choice. Some of you may think it's bad in places in the US, but frankly you have no clue. CCTV is freaking everywhere and even expected by many these days. If you're the type who likes to give the cameras the finger, you'd be worn out by mid-morning unless you stayed stood in the middle of a field. It's got to the point where the police have objected to the renewal of pub and club licenses because the building doesn't have enough CCTV in their opinion. The licensing authorities usually go along with these objections, by and large. I find it disgusting.

4) The corollary to the long summer evenings are the short winter days. There's a good reason why the UK often shuts shop for two weeks for Christmas and New Year. People take don't like going to work in the near dark, and coming home in the pitch black. Throw in some gloomy overcast with rain and you can see why we used to go into a short hibernation that time of year.

Seems like you could sum it up in two words...
BAH HUMBUG!!!:eek:;):rolleyes::D:D:D
 
Last time I was in the UK was 20 years ago. Don't know if I'll get there again but I'm sure a lot has changed, not necessarily for the better, as the OP mentioned. But a real pub lunch - shepherd's pie and a nice ale - are hard to beat. And x2 on the Underground. When I was there even the older lines were decent and safe.

I had a friend in the Norfolk-Suffolk border. Hired a car in Cambridge and and drove out to visit him. Hadn't been to Norfolk before but loved it.

Typing this brought back an earworm from the Underground:"MIND THE GAP".
 
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And yet, from the Daily Fail it doesn't seem to have reduced crime at all.

I was in England in 1975 and enjoyed it. From what you write, I wouldn't enjoy it now at all.

3) Further to speed cameras is the apparent acceptance of a surveillance society by the UK population, not that they were given a choice. Some of you may think it's bad in places in the US, but frankly you have no clue. CCTV is freaking everywhere and even expected by many these days. If you're the type who likes to give the cameras the finger, you'd be worn out by mid-morning unless you stayed stood in the middle of a field. It's got to the point where the police have objected to the renewal of pub and club licenses because the building doesn't have enough CCTV in their opinion. The licensing authorities usually go along with these objections, by and large. I find it disgusting.
 
Ironically, Spike Milligan in his WWII memoirs complained of the American soldiers stationed in the UK pulling the local birds because of their accents, and some British soldiers putting on fake American accents to try and even the score.

You mean about the Americans "overpaid, over sexed and
over here."
 
Accents are an acquired taste! My tWo oldest grandkids are born and raised in the US, but that touch of German they get from mom and a little draw from Texas, makes them almost exotic in SE Pennsylvania.

When we get the occasional young lady from the British Isles at church, they seem to draw out the best manors from our young men. I've had a few local girls complain about that more than once. My advice is "They may sound like heaven when they speak, but when they cook it is more like...! Take advantage of the next church potluck to show your stuff!"

Ivan
 
Never lived there. But, have visited a few times. What I’ll always miss is a really good, hot Indian curry in an upscale restaurant.
Nothing I’ve experienced here in the States even comes close.
 
And yet, from the Daily Fail it doesn't seem to have reduced crime at all.

I was in England in 1975 and enjoyed it. From what you write, I wouldn't enjoy it now at all.

No, it hasn't. One of two things is going on. The generous version is that CCTV advocates have no real understanding of human behavior. If a drunk is going to throw a punch, he/she isn't checking for CCTV before delivering the blow. Purse snatchers, muggers and carjackers just know to dress in nondescript clothes with hoodies, gloves and masks, rendering CCTV largely useless.

The less generous version is this. Police forces all over the UK claim a much increased clear up rate of reported crime thanks to CCTV. Note my emphasis, because whether the UK police will take a report seems to depend largely on whether they think they will get a collar. If something happens away from CCTV, they get a bit reluctant to fill in the paperwork. Can't take reports where there is no easy clear up, it messes up the stats.:rolleyes: It's not a new thing, but the degree to which it goes on now is out of control. I wish I was making this up, but I've heard this from friends and family in different parts of the UK. Every so often it makes the media, but criticism of CCTV is not welcome. I mean, see how well it worked when the Manchester Arena was bombed at the Ariande Grande gig.:rolleyes:

I'm afraid that much of the activity of UK LE has been reduced to viewing CCTV tapes, Ring doorbell videos, dashcam videos, and ANPR data. Unless you're in drug interdiction or anti-terrorism, there's not much real coppering going on in the UK. Outside London I saw a marked patrol car that wasn't on an emergency call just once. In London police vehicles were thicker than fleas on a tinkers dog, and that's just the marked ones I could identify. Doesn't seem like a lot of "policing" goes on outside the capital, though.

It is also interesting to note some of the wording in the media when reporting an incident or accident. "Police are appealing for any dashcam or doorbell video". Whatever happened to asking for witnesses to come forward?:confused:

I know that much of what we call "policing" all over the world could be described as clean up after the event, that's just the reality. However, the proportion of the policing in the UK that is clean up rather than proactive is totally ridiculous IMHO.
 
I have lost much of my accent (I can still dredge it up on demand) as I have been assimilated.

Early on it served me well. Not only with the ladies but in the music industry. Every time I spoke at an audition they assumed I could play.
 
...It is also interesting to note some of the wording in the media when reporting an incident or accident. "Police are appealing for any dashcam or doorbell video". Whatever happened to asking for witnesses to come forward?...
Standard "boilerplate text" on many incident reports up here in Canada, too. Images from these devices are sometimes posted when a crime is being published, but it seems they are rarely credited when a perp is found.

As to "asking for witnesses to come forward", this is sometimes accompanied by the offer of a rather sizable reward. What about just doing one's civic duty because it's the right thing to do?
 
In my old age, I try to avoid places north of I-10. Fortunately. when i return to the "Old Country" and relatives, it is Switzerland and Lichtenstein. No where like downtown Vaduz on a Saturday night to avoid the crowns and winery as far as the horizon.
 
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