H&R single shot .45-70

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For some reason I got the hankering for an H&R single shot in .45-70. Has anyone owned one of these and if so, are they bearable to shoot? Got one for sale locally with open sights and a 3x9 cheap scope that the guy is asking $400 for. Metal looks good but the stock is all scratched up. Good price? Too much?
 
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MULE?

For some reason I got the hankering for an H&R single shot in .45-70. Has anyone owned one of these and if so, are they bearable to shoot? Got one for sale locally with open sights and a 3x9 cheap scope that the guy is asking $400 for. Metal looks good but the stock is all scratched up. Good price? Too much?


Have you ever heard the phrase "KICKS LIKE A MULE"...
 
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I have a SB2 Handi-Rifle in .45-70, with a Leupold Rifleman 2.5-7 scope. This is one of the good ones from Gardner MA before the plant closed. It is an accurate rifle, but it only weighs about 7 pounds with the scope on. As pharman said, it kicks like a mule.
 

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For some reason I got the hankering for an H&R single shot in .45-70. Has anyone owned one of these and if so, are they bearable to shoot? Got one for sale locally with open sights and a 3x9 cheap scope that the guy is asking $400 for. Metal looks good but the stock is all scratched up. Good price? Too much?

Yeah, I have one. Painful fr. the bench with midrange on up loads. In the field you don't notice. I load mine with 300-405 gr trapdoor level. Pleasant to shoot and will handle anything in North America.
 
I have had one of the H&R "Officer's Rifles". I'm not sure when I bought it, but it was the year the model was introduced, 1975 I believe. I shoot it with mostly 405 Grain cast bullets and a duplex black powder/ SR4759 load, 1/8"cardboard and grease wad under the bullet. The duplex load and grease wad keep fouling down to nearly nothing!

To me the gun is comfortable to shoot, more a heavy "push" rather than sharp recoil like "modern guns" produce.

The trapdoor action is very weak and no attempt should be made to hot-rod it. The H&R guns are not a bit stronger than the original Springfield guns! I have seen a couple of the H&R replicas where someone didn't understand this and ruined the receiver by excessive pressure. There are trapdoor loads in Lyman manuals and should be adhered to!

I also have a Ruger #1 Tropical in .458 Winchester. Now that is abusive! So far I have not found a light enough load to get it down to recoil levels like my H&R rifle. No matter what The .458 gives me whip-lash off the bench!

I bought the Ruger with the intention of reaming a .45-70 size rim-cut into the chamber so it could be shot with either .45-70 or .458 ammunition. There is no reason this shouldn't be done as the .45-70 head-spaces on the rim and the .458 on the belt. I have never gotten around to it yet, and probably never will in this lifetime!
 
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A couple of years back the LGS had a Henry single shot in .45-70 in the used rack. Stunning wood, price wasn't bad, didn't look like it was hardly fired. When I picked it up to look closer I realized why it was in the used rack. It was gonna hurt on both ends. Website claims 7 lbs, didn't feel like it.

The prices on the H&Rs are going up. The Henry SS rifles are obviously better made with much, much nicer wood, but you're gonna pay for it. At least at MSRP. What you might be able to do with the LGS is something else.
 
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Just my opinion, $400 for any H&R break open single shot with a $40 3x9 blister pack scope is $200 too high.


A trapdoor action is not the same as a break-open like a single-shot shotgun! The last I looked some of the H&R guns, specifically the Officers Model , are going for over $1,000, well over.
 
I have a Ruger #3 that had a metal butt plate in 45-70.
I fixed that kick problem by getting a Ruger #1 stock and replacing the shoulder killer with it.
That did the trick... :)

You are a boob! Several years ago, about 40, I had a .45-70 #3 Ruger. My 12 year old, about 85 pound, step daughter wanted to shoot it one day! She loved it!!! and that was with a heavy, book maximum, load! I asked her if she wanted to shoot it again, you should have seen the big grin and how she shook her head YES!:D:D:D I think I only let her shoot it twice, even back then those 405 grain jacketed Hornady's were 'spensive.

You are right, those were real kickers, for adults, but that little girl sure enjoyed it!
 
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A trapdoor action is not the same as a break-open like a single-shot shotgun! The last I looked some of the H&R guns, specifically the Officers Model , are going for over $1,000, well over.

Cajun Lawyer is asking about the break open rifle. You brought up the trapdoor and seem to think it is what this is all about.

And they are not all that weak. The Models 1865 and Model 1866 were built by converting muskets and may have been the birth of the weak trapdoor stuff. By the Model 1868 they were using a separate receiver and some musket barrels but by the end of that model, only stocks and small parts were recycled from the war surplus. Heck, prior to the adoption of the Krag, 3 of the Springfield Single Shot Rifles were used to test the then new 30 caliber smokeless cartridge to determine final ballistics, bore dimensions and rifling twists. The Arsenal was also developing a smokeless powder load for the 45-70 but the Spanish American War halted that research.

Kevin
 
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Just my opinion, $400 for any H&R break open single shot with a $40 3x9 blister pack scope is $200 too high.

That seems to be a prevailing attitude in many places around the country; I've run into that locally. But when you dig into it, the comments (in my experience) come from people that pride themselves in their ability to "horse trade" (mostly old timers) that are used to a market that disappeared years ago before H&R ceased production. I've owned several and they have their place; some people who probably couldn't wring the real accuracy out of high dollar rifle love to knock them as inaccurate. Like a lot of guns the barrels tend to favor a particular bullet/load combination and admittedly they cannot be accused of having really good triggers. Generic ammo in common commercial offerings may or may not agree with a particular individual barrel.

Ergonomically they have a lot in common with the stocks on old shotguns the old timers referred to a 'polk' or 'poke' stock (depending on how far back in the woods they grew up :D). Ergo, the larger calibers tend to thump the shooter more; but I've shot the 45/70, .35 Whelen, and many others all the way down to the .22 hornet. A good recoil pad on the bigger thumpers plus proper form (good balance, snug shoulder tuck, good cheek weld , etc) makes them manageable (if not 'comfortable'). But then, I had a model 70 in 458 mag that I felt kicked no worse than many 12 gauge shotguns I've used. Recoil is subjective . . . as far as accuracy . . . as usual, if I do my part the gun usually shoots as well or better than I can.

I personally like them and have had good experience with the guns. Caj says the one he was offered has a scratched up stock - most of them that came with factory wood have what is referred to as "pallet wood", usually birch, so sanding, steaming, and refinishing the wood certainly won't hurt the value.

A 'bargain price' on any of them in excellent condition these days is below $300 in my experience, as just most spare barrels in good condition in a desirable caliber go for that much and more. As for that $200 price . . . I'm a customer for most any of them at that price and could make money on them. $400 for the 45/70 isn't a steal, but if I wanted one that price wouldn't deter me though with the beat up wood described I would try to dicker the price down as much as possible. A 45/70 for $200 IMHO would be a steal in a lot of places, even with scratched up furniture. It's like the oft heard chestnut at gun shows . . . "Why, I can buy those all day long for $150-$200 anytime !" Funny thing is, I've never had anyone provide such or even information for one for sale at that price when I tried to pin them down on it . . .


But then again I have a Thompson Contender with a 14" barrel in 45/70 and shoot it with factory 300 grain JHP's and love it. Of course, it's as much a flamethrower as a handgun . . . :D
 
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I fire at least a dozen 45-70 or 45-90 rounds every week. Mostly 405 gr in front of 70 gr of the holy black. Some guys are using similar smokeless loads. I have a trapdoor, and 2 sharps rifles. The trapdoor is lightest. No need to hot rod a .458 bullet that weighs 405 grs. Learn your sights and ranges and blaze away. Modern loads sending 300gr bullets at 2000fps in a light rifle might be a bit more brutal on the back end. For what? Anything you hit with a 405 gr slug at 12000fps is gonna die. Millions of dead buffalo prove that big slow bullets don't have any problem killing.
 
I have 2 of them, older versions. Fun projects.
If you decide to get one, Handload the 45-70 to reasonable levels and shoot it.
Very capable, good pig/snake/pest guns if you use reasonable loads in it.
They are not elephant slayers. Don't try to make them into something they aren't.
Your mileage may vary.
rayb
 
A 7-8 pound rifle chambered for the 45-70? Probably a good hunting rifle but not one I would choose for bench resting or even bench testing.

Kevin
 
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