586 nd loadings

[pantannojack]

Just now reading a thread about using " mid range " and then stronger loads in 80's K Frames. Some respondents say good, some say no. I am asking about using full power loads in 586 no dash, non modified. Should I use a similar amount of caution as if loading full power for m 19-2?

 

[44wheelman]

Apples & oranges. The 19 had a "thin" spot under the barrel. The L frame was the fix for it. Blast away, with max loads.

 

[cowboy4evr]

I have 2 L-frame Smiths , a 686 and 681 for quite a few years , both former LEO's side arms . I shoot 357's in both , " but " I refrain from the 125 gr loads . Good Luck , have fun . Regards Paul

 

[WR Moore]

Having been issued the 681, which we shot a lot with full power Federal 125 gr .357, you'll find the slightly less enthusiastic 1250 f/s loads a lot nicer than the full power stuff. We proved that you can, if you shoot enough full power stuff, shoot L frames loose. I doubt you've got the $$$ to shoot as much as we did, but the "mid range" stuff performed quite well in ballistic gelatin. Which isn't exactly the same as the currently popular substitute "gel".

 

[ArchAngelCD]

Everything you heard about weaker designed K frames from back when do not apply to the L frame revolver of which the M586 is. The L frame was released to fix all the Magnum K frame problems.

Have fun with your revolve without worries.

 

[Forrest r]

A 586 can and will handle anything from mild to wild. Been owning/shooting 586's since 1987. Switched over to a 686 a couple years ago for range play.

But I do still keep a 586 laying around the house. My 7-shot l-comp 586 with 170gr/1200fps loads.

 

[stansdds]

The L-frame was designed to address the shortcomings of the K-frame 357 Magnums when using a steady diet of full power magnum ammo. It would take many tens of thousands of rounds of full power 110 or 125 grain magnum loads to significantly damage or possible crack the forcing cone of an L-frame. You will still get erosion at the edge of the forcing cone and wear in the bore, but there is no thin spot at the bottom of the forcing cone like there is on all but the modern production K-frame 357's.

 

[STORMINORMAN]

Imagine the reaction if someone were to say "I bought a 22lr rifle but I only shoot 22 shorts in it because I don't want to unduly stress the design!"?

Face it: the average owner of any 357 Magnum firearm will never shoot enough of the reputed (so-called, rumored, allegedly, etc.) "dangerous factory loadings" to make a difference. No doubt there are "some" who may experience the reported problems with K-frame 357 Magnums: to what extent did their exposure exceed the normal (average, typical, etc.) owner's? How many more thousands of rounds (of all varieties) of ammo did they shoot?

Is a L-frame even enough: shouldn't they all be N-frames, just to be "sure"...?

Just IMHO.

Cheers!

 

[pantannojack]

Apples & oranges. The 19 had a "thin" spot under the barrel. The L frame was the fix for it. Blast away, with max loads.

Querulously my 19-2 seems to be thin all around the bbl stud. I wonder if it may have a replacement bbl. I got it a few years ago with perfect finish but a blued over part of surface corrosion on the side plate.

 

[Forrest r]

Querulously my 19-2 seems to be thin all around the bbl stud. I wonder if it may have a replacement bbl. I got it a few years ago with perfect finish but a blued over part of surface corrosion on the side plate.

Perhaps you might ask when they did away with the flat/thin/undercut on the bottom of the bbl/forcing cone to make room for the cylinders yoke.

A 19-2 was produced (early 1960's?) long before the 125gr/full house loads were popular. Can't remember but I thought S&W upgraded the cylinder yoke in the late 80's so that the bbl was stronger (full round like in your picture/no flat cut at 6 o-clock)

 

[stansdds]

The thin spot up through the 19-3 was not super thin, but did get thinner late in the production run of the 19-3 when the gas ring was moved from the cylinder to the yoke. The Model 19-4 returned the gas ring to the cylinder, but the thinner barrel remained. It is believed that the thinner thin spot on the late 19-3 and later barrels were the ones most prone to cracking. If you want to read more about this potential issue and why we have the L-frame, click the following link.


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