My goodness.
It's apparently still true that, "...those who can, do...those who can't, criticize (now online)."
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My goodness.
It's apparently still true that, "...those who can, do...those who can't, criticize (now online)."
Technically 1880, abstract 1659 is when record keeping for Global Warming started…
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And how much of that increase has come because of better measurement of the earths temperature? There were no weather satellites in 1880. There were no digital, automatic buoys located all over the ocean to keep track of the water temp. The ability to keep track of global temperature is something that really didn't exist just 20 years ago. Even if the ice cores are right, and there is dispute about that, we can really only go back a couple of thousand years, at best. That is a nano second in the 5 billion year old climate of this planet. Climate change is absolutely real. It is the reason there is life on this planet. But the scientific concept of climate change has been prostituted into a concept of man made climate change in order to manipulate group think and to expand wealth in a certain segment. Propaganda starts with a kernel of truth. The truth, in this case, is that people look out the window and see weather patterns that have changed in their memory. They take this "truth" and bend it to advance an agenda, that this weather is somehow caused by your pick up truck or gas fired hot tub. They then come up with solutions that are more aimed at creating an industry than fixing anything. Of course, part of the propaganda is that anyone who questions the dogma is labeled as a Luddite or somehow not smart enough to grasp their concepts. Now they're cutting down forests to build solar farms, putting wind mills on mountain tops and in pristine coastal areas. And people get rich. Believe what you want but don't pea on my head and tell me its rain.
There was the Telegraph (1861) and the Undersea Telegraph Cable (1856) that were available! They might have been primitive by todays standards, but it was a start…
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Better still, just find out what the manager of the local Dollar Store thinks. You can trust him or her, not like those Commie scientists. That science stuff is just gobbledygook anyway.
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I only trust the internet for science info.
Lincoln said it's the best!
Not quite following you or what you mean by "abstract" in this context.
Are you claiming we have been keeping detailed accurate world-wide temperature records since 1659? I'd like more info on that. Who exactly was it keeping those records from around the globe, how were they taking those measurements, etc. Color me skeptical.
1880 is a little more believable. A whopping 143 years of "recorded (temperature) history". Out of roughly 6000 years of recorded human history. Anybody else see a problem with the sample size?
But "highest temperatures in recorded history" sure has an ominous ring to it - as long as you don't consider the fact the the "recorded history" we're talking about is less than 150 years. So why not just say "highest temperatures in 150 years"? Because it doesn't sound SCARY enough...
OK, so you are admitting that the climate fanatics are asking us to base the entire future course of our society on no more than 150 years worth of actual data, more than 90% of it derived from very imprecise (to use your word "primitive") means. Does that make sense? Is that what passes for science?
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And it is certainly true that those with no valid arguments or evidence will deflect and cast aspersions rather than try to defend their opinions.
Short version "if you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bull"
The 1659 study took place in Central England, Midlands and forwarded to Kent! In 1880, by the UK Meteorological Offices Hadley Centre…
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How would they have the undersea telegraph cable before the telegraph?
OK, gotcha. So it was a detailed record of temperatures on ONE island (England). That hardly qualifies as comprehensive global temperature records.
So it is more of the same issue - far too small of a sample size...
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1880 was the days of the Pony Express, where a letter could take up to two weeks to get from the west coast to the east coast! Unlike the U.S. the UK had better train transportation system where a lettered message was received in mere hours instead of weeks! Unless the overland telegraph services were used, which meant depending if any was listening on the other side to receive the message, a couple of hours…
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All true. But that has nothing to do with the much more "primitive" methods of taking the measurements and recording the data. Kinda' like comparing the old hand-written S&W shipping records to a modern computer database.
More importantly, England is still a VERY small sample size compared to the whole globe.
What was the fastest transit speed of a ship sailing and/or cruising the sea in 1880? About 6-knots, or two or more months to get a actual physical sample by sea back to England from somewhere in India, Australia or New Zealand…
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But that is assuming that there were people making a concerted effort to measure and record temperature data ALL OVER THE GLOBE at that time, and it was all being consolidated in one location. Are you claiming that is the case? Please point us to this repository of data.
What instruments were they using to measure temperature? How accurate were they?
And even if they had reasonably accurate instruments, recorded the data perfectly, consolidated it from all over the planet, we're still talking about less than 150 years worth of data, vs 6000 years of recorded human history. That is not a sufficient sample size.
Unless you can somehow establish that temperatures were never warmer in the 5850 years of human history prior to the last 150 years of actual records, then the "highest temperatures in recorded history" is basically a meaningless hyperbolic sound bite intended to scare people into compliance with the "climate emergency" agenda.
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A few years ago my daughter inherited her grandfather's 2005 Prius. It currently has about 150k and has had no issues. Her grandfather replaced the battery pack and according to the paperwork that was only about $1500. I paid more than that when my rack started leaking.
I don't have any issues with EVs. I also don't have any issues with hybrids. I have issues with SUVs and pick up trucks.
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