You're a law enforcement officer. That works everywhere. . .
Road trip CCW peculiarities
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You're a law enforcement officer. That works everywhere. . .
Do game laws ever trump cc laws? Is a loaded rifle on atv or in truck allowed while deer hunting?
Sure, just ignore the law if you don't mind a felony conviction. It's 30-7-3 NMSA 1978 and has been upheld by the state Supreme Court.
Everybody makes choices.
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Retired and have a regular CCL.
You can't take advantage of LEOSA?
I could, but have no interest. I'm just not ever going to carry a retirement badge and ID. Ever. If CCL is all everyone else can get, that's good enough for me. I also pay my speeding tickets.
The checks are nice, though.
The checks are nice, though.
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I could, but have no interest. I'm just not ever going to carry a retirement badge and ID. Ever. If CCL is all everyone else can get, that's good enough for me.
The checks are nice, though.
Well, there's no need for a badge, but you'd carry a federal permit if one was offered. Duly noted . . .
The status quo on concealed carry permits is ridiculous. What is perfectly legal in one state will get you arrested in another...how patently unfair.
A marriage license is valid in all states. A driver's license is valid in all states. Some professional licenses can be transferred easily if the holder moves to another state.
This same principle should apply to concealed-carry permits. If you have a valid permit from a state that requires it, it should apply in all 50 states. If your home state requires no permit, you should be able to carry anywhere without one.
Just like I carry my NM CCL.
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Iowa effectively doesn't care.
Weapon permit law changes that took effect July 1, 2021 remove the requirement for a permit to acquire or a permit to carry in order to purchase a handgun or carry a firearm in public places subject to certain limitations.
Weapon Permits | Iowa Department of Public Safety
The only reason New Mexico permit didn't/doesn't work is because New Mexico is elitist. Reciprocity is the basis of all relationships, at least according to James Ellroy.
Ingramite
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During my lifetime I've seen gun laws go from one extreme to the other.
It's always been about which way the prevailing political winds are blowing at any given time or location.
It's always been about which way the prevailing political winds are blowing at any given time or location.
Lee in Quartzsite
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We travel mostly in the States of AZ, TX, CO and NM. I always review the latest CCW laws in Handgun.US before we hit the road. Being that New Mexico has many Indian Reservations how do those of you living and traveling in New Mexico deal with carrying while driving through the Reservations? In AZ the Tribes do not recognize CCW permits and carrying is a violation of Tribal Laws, therefore we seldom drive on Tribal lands in our own State. That's almost impossible in NM. US citizens have no Constitutional Rights on Reservations and are basically entering a foreign country. So what is the best way to avoid any conflicts with the Tribal police?
If you are not an enrolled member of any tribe, tribal laws cannot apply to you. Some tribal officers have state commisions which can only be used to enforce state laws with non-Indians.
YES you can carry a loaded gun in your car/truck while hunting. In fact IF the our Fish and Game dept had such stupid a rule it would be impossible to enforce as here, my car truck is an extension of my home and they would need a warrant to search it or anything inside of it without a visible violation. Even if I had a gun with a magazine in it there is no visible proof it is a loaded magazine. Plus, even if I am driving around in the country wearing an orange vest, there is no real proof I am even hunting. Maybe I am just driving around and have a rifle, which I have every right in the world to have. If they tried to say some rounds in one of those deals people put on their stock constituted a loaded rifle, a jury would laugh them out of court if they could get a judge to let it go that far. There is such a rule about loaded guns in vehicles on the CMR but that is a federal rule on that federal reserve and it is patrolled by the federal wildlife guys. I don't bother hunting there, but I have never heard of anyone being fined for it. It isn't a rule on national forest of BLM land either. A warden or Sheriff can't enter my tent here without a warrant either, once again, extension of my home.
But, I have never had a single problem with a warden here. They have always been polite and friendly and in over 40 years I have only been asked for my license twice. The last time I was sitting in a chair fishing on the river, I told him its in that open tackle box. He picked up the plastic envelope in my tackle box and said this is an elk permit, I said keep looking, he pulled out more, deer license, keep looking, then trapping permit, final fishing, I never left my chair. He asked if he could check my stringer, I said go ahead, he pulled it out, checked the sturgeon to make sure it was a shovelnose and not a pallid and was on his way. Polite friendly professional even though I didn't go out of my way to help him do his job. I was comfortable and fishing. IMHO it is impolite to bother a man so engaged.
The other time my brother and I had parked, got out and had just started walking towards a small dam face to try to jump shoot some ducks. 2 of em in a pickup drove up and asked to see our paper, showed them, they said good luck and left, never checked our guns or ammo.
We have a bunch of native reservations. Some honor a permit, none of them will bother you on any of the state or federal highways. Once off those I would be careful, but unless your visiting someone there is little reason to do so. Can't hunt there, their casinos are not much different that ours, . But, once again I have never had a single problem on a reservation or with a native. I got stopped for speeding once, on a reservation, by a county sheriff, who was also a native, warning and on my way,
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Lee in Quartzsite
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During an Arizona CCW class years ago the question came up about reservations. Two instructors had identical responses; driving through on State or Federal highways it's legal to carry, once off the highway and onto tribal land you are not. An example is the town of Parker Arizona along the Colorado river. The local tribe operates many gas stations, a Burger King, a Walmart and a Safeway grocery store, and many other businesses. It is illegal to carry there and anywhere else in the town that is owned by the tribe. No signs to that fact are posted anywhere in town, nor in any of the businesses. When I am carrying...which is 24/7...we do not stop anywhere in the town of Parker. Tribal Police patrol the town, but do not enforce highway laws.
A couple of years ago a woman tripped and fell in the Walmart parking lot. Due to her injuries she was going to file a lawsuit against Walmart. Being that the accident happened on tribal land she could not hire her own attorney unless the attorney was a tribal member. Needless to say that was the end of the lawsuit.
I assume traveling in New Mexico would have similar restrictions and consequences for getting caught with a firearm on tribal lands., permit or not.
A couple of links:
INJURIES ON INDIAN LANDS | personalinjury
What Happens When You Get in an Accident on Indigenous Land in California? - Ehline Law Firm Personal Injury Attorneys, APLC
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I am, in principle at least against a federal permit for carry. Once you give that power to the federal government there is no knowing what will happen.
As to Texas, the 51% signs are almost impossible to miss. There are also specific signs, with specific wording, letter size, color, and posting locations for no concealed carry, no open carry, no permitless carry. They also have to be in both English and Spanish. Alternatively, a premise owner can verbally warn people what is and isn't allowed. I've never heard the latter anywhere, but it's in the law.
As to Muss's comment that LEOs can carry everywhere, as if. While that's the letter of the law, some states in the northeast are decidedly unfriendly to off duty out of state officers carrying.
As others have said, check the laws in any states where you are traveling. One of the reasons I'll be getting my Texas LTC is because there are reciprocity benefits with southern states to which I may travel.
As to Texas, the 51% signs are almost impossible to miss. There are also specific signs, with specific wording, letter size, color, and posting locations for no concealed carry, no open carry, no permitless carry. They also have to be in both English and Spanish. Alternatively, a premise owner can verbally warn people what is and isn't allowed. I've never heard the latter anywhere, but it's in the law.
As to Muss's comment that LEOs can carry everywhere, as if. While that's the letter of the law, some states in the northeast are decidedly unfriendly to off duty out of state officers carrying.
As others have said, check the laws in any states where you are traveling. One of the reasons I'll be getting my Texas LTC is because there are reciprocity benefits with southern states to which I may travel.
Having a federal permit system WOULD NOT make the confusion go away. Every state would want and get its on rules as to what, where, ammo, etc etc. My Montana drivers license may well be valid in all 50 states, but I know for a fact I can't drive 70MPH on every states 2 lane and I bet some states would have a baby if I drove my legally street licensed Polaris Ranger on their streets and here we drive them all over. I can pull my camp trailer and have another small trailer hooked behind it here but not in every state.
Here to get a carry permit takes a the same background check as buying a gun, no finger prints and about 4 or 5 days.
The state just made a rule for an enhanced permit, just so our permits will be honored by a few more states. Got to be 21 and a bit more safety and shooting qualification. Spoke with the sheriff about it, here he will actual come to the phone and speak to you or meet you at his office, him the guy who put on NRA gun classes are hashing out a how to get it going. I shoot with the NRA instructor regularly, so called him and I will have any problems once they get a program figured out/
Here to get a carry permit takes a the same background check as buying a gun, no finger prints and about 4 or 5 days.
The state just made a rule for an enhanced permit, just so our permits will be honored by a few more states. Got to be 21 and a bit more safety and shooting qualification. Spoke with the sheriff about it, here he will actual come to the phone and speak to you or meet you at his office, him the guy who put on NRA gun classes are hashing out a how to get it going. I shoot with the NRA instructor regularly, so called him and I will have any problems once they get a program figured out/
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Ha! I'm just now getting used to driving 70-75 on highways and 60 on one lane roads. Or 80 on the toll roads.
If I ever go back east and rent a car I'll have to relearn how to drive on those Yankee roads.
If I ever go back east and rent a car I'll have to relearn how to drive on those Yankee roads.
ridgewalker
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Yeah I get that the idea of one federal permit sounds easy but think if someone like Governor Gavin Newsome becomes president. You should be very worried about that. In my opinion he gets paid by the Chinese Communist Party to among many other things which weaken our nation to advance senseless gun control laws leading to the eventual confiscation and ban of private firearms ownership. He recently visited his boss (my opinion) President Xi in China. In California we used to have about one new gun law each week. Now we have multiple new gun laws each week proposed in the 80% Democrat controlled Legislature. There are some good people in California but the news media here is part of the brainwashing machine that gets this absolute one political party control to make our lives hell. Most states are going in the right direction with gun laws letting honest citizens exercise their 2A rights to protect themselves and their families. Trust me President Newsome is a scary possibility. You don't want him in charge of your federal CCW permit.
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