Preferred every day carry cartridge?

[SnidelyWhiplash]

I understand what you're you're saying completely. But all I can think of is Joe Citizen trying to cuff a guy and it going haywire.

That's why I said "learn how to use them". A perp...whether wounded or not is easier to control with wrist restraints than without. And if wounded the perp could be more desperate and dangerous. Calling 9-1-1 for assistance is easier with the perp restrained than loose while you're trying to cover him and call for help.

It's all situational...what might be the way in one scenario won't work in another. One has to be able to adapt to circumstances.

 

[Eddie Southgate]

Preferred is a .44 Special but I also own and carry regularly , .380 , .32 ACP, 9mm, .38 S&W, .38 Special and .45 ACP . Have carried the .357 Magnum but not in the last several years. The only way I'd carry a .22 or .25 would be as a BUG .

 

[glenwolde]

I had a beautiful Walther (Manurhin) stainless PPKS .380 30+ years ago, and a FEG R-61 9x18 (same as a PA-63 but PPK size).
Difference was the FEG was always reliable, I could not say that for the PPKS. Guess which one i still have!
Smiles, Mike

My FEG has a spring kit in it that really helped the DA trigger pull. A heavier recoil spring has also softened the recoil. They respond well to Wolf spring kits.

Not a lot of brass around, but fortunately you can make it fairly easily from 9mm Luger brass. I expand them out and trim them back then load with lead bullets. I shoot those for practice then I have fire-formed brass to use. I have a stash of Hornady XTP's for the Makarov I load for self-defense. They've been discontinued but pop up on the auction site sometimes.

Prvi Partizan also sells a hollow point for the caliber. There are plenty of cast LRN and plated bullets for it. I also have a mold if need be.

 

[SGT ROCK 11B]

I suggest if one carries a sidearm…along with a reload carry a set of handcuffs and learn how to use them. If you're in a situation where you need to unholster…whether you pull the trigger or not…you may need to restrain the person who is the threat. You really should avoid keeping an unrestrained person while waiting for law enforcement or an ambulance.

If someone is enough of a threat that the potential or actual use of lethal force is required you cannot trust the threat won't still be a threat unrestrained.

First and foremost armed people should get Professional Training.

Too many possible scenarios exist so we can not guess. But who is an armed citizen is going to handcuff? Now when I prevented a man from murdering his ex-wife the bad guy had dropped his weapon (bat) and walked away from us. No reason to restrain him because she is safe and the on-duty cops will pick him up later. But what if the bad guy had disarmed me when I attempted to restrain him myself?

 

[Rustyt1953]

I cannot foresee me ever carrying handcuffs as I now lack the strength to grapple with a wounded assailant.

My first priority it to get me and mine away from the threat as safely and expeditiously as possible.

Barring that my next priority is to stop the threat and by stop I mean stop.

 

[StrawHat]

Before carrying cuffs, consult an attorney, in your state, and see what your laws says about citizens arrest.

Kevin

 

[326MOD10]

I will stand by my previous post of the CCW carrier has no business carrying handcuffs.

I also hope the comment of "two warning shots to the legs" was a joke. Comments like that do not help the CCW cause and can be discoverable in a trial.

I have found that retired policeman often lose sight of the fact they are nothing more than citizens. No longer sworn to protect and serve.

When I retired one of the first things I did was take some CCW classes. Most important of those was Mas Ayoobs MAG20. In none of these trainings was handcuffs mentioned as an option.

 

[Rustyt1953]

No snarcasm directed at anyone but I cannot recall ever reading of or hearing a LEO (present or former) ever advocating for civilians to carry restraints.

What police agencies have ever openly recommended this?

 

[Smoke]

My choice is a 9 mm Glock 19.

I chose it because it was the smallest gun on the approved list for security guards in Colorado Springs.

I suggest if one carries a sidearm…along with a reload carry a set of handcuffs and learn how to use them.

There's not enough "No" in the World

 

[reccpd101]

2 J frames loaded with 38 specials, although the 6 shot 32 Magnums are growing on me. At one time, i experimented with a micro-nine and a J frame but I have never trusted an auto as my sole carry gun.

 

[Bald1]

I will stand by my previous post of the CCW carrier has no business carrying handcuffs.

I also hope the comment of "two warning shots to the legs" was a joke. Comments like that do not help the CCW cause and can be discoverable in a trial.

I have found that retired policeman often lose sight of the fact they are nothing more than citizens. No longer sworn to protect and serve.

When I retired one of the first things I did was take some CCW classes. Most important of those was Mas Ayoobs MAG20. In none of these trainings was handcuffs mentioned as an option.

It was obviously a joke. And a funny one to boot.

 

[JonE406]

I carry a mod 66-8 2.75" 125-gr XTP most days for around town, with appropriate loads when I head to the woods, which isn't far to handle two legged or four legged critters.

 

[MetalMan]

While I'm usually one of the first to jump on the new "latest and greatest" technology bandwagon, I've withheld the urge of moving on to one of the small 9mm platforms.

I do admit to being sorely tempted by the Sig P365, though.

I've been shooting and carrying firearms since the mid-1970's and am reasonably well-invested in older .38 / .357 / .45ACP platforms.

My EDC for the last couple of years is a 640-1 Pro stoked with .38 +P and but I do occasionally carry my Kimber Ultra Carry (Series I). I've never felt under-armed with either.

So, while the temptation is always there, I just go out to the range with one of my "old-school" handguns which always brings a smile to my face. I feel blessed...

 

[Muss Muggins]

This is a seriously terrible idea, on several fronts . . .

(As far as what to carry, carry what you shoot well, or what makes you smile. My consistent position on armed self defense, and actually unarmed self defense as well, is that all I am trying to accomplish is make that other fella' realize he's got something better to do at the moment than to screw with me and mine . . . )

I suggest if one carries a sidearm…along with a reload carry a set of handcuffs and learn how to use them. If you're in a situation where you need to unholster…whether you pull the trigger or not…you may need to restrain the person who is the threat. You really should avoid keeping an unrestrained person while waiting for law enforcement or an ambulance.

If someone is enough of a threat that the potential or actual use of lethal force is required you cannot trust the threat won't still be a threat unrestrained.

 

[Model 15-4ever]

I voted "Other". Because panache never goes out of style...

DW 1911 Super .38 and Colt 1903 .32 Rimless Smokeless:

 

[SnidelyWhiplash]

This is a seriously terrible idea, on several fronts . . .

(As far as what to carry, carry what you shoot well, or what makes you smile. My consistent position on armed self defense, and actually unarmed self defense as well, is that all I am trying to accomplish is make that other fella' realize he's got something better to do at the moment than to screw with me and mine . . . )

Everyone has to know his limitations. My recommendations...as well as those of others...are for discussion and consideration...not in stone. As with everything in life...it's all a calculated risk...what we're each willing to do or not do.

 

[Model 15-4ever]

That's why I said "learn how to use them". A perp...whether wounded or not is easier to control with wrist restraints than without. And if wounded the perp could be more desperate and dangerous.

I don't mean to be rude, but this is an incredibly bad idea. Why are you "restraining" your attacker after shooting him? Why are you closing the distance with him and making yourself more vulnerable?

Going hands on with any violent offender is extremely dangerous - especially solo - and that's what LEOs are trained and paid to deal with. Once retired, you don't see any LEO advocating doing that.

Back away, shoot if he advances and is a threat.

 

[Muss Muggins]

Duly noted . . .

Everyone has to know his limitations. My recommendations...as well as those of others...are for discussion and consideration...not in stone. As with everything in life...it's all a calculated risk...what we're each willing to do or not do.

 

[JMD999]

My FEG has a spring kit in it that really helped the DA trigger pull. A heavier recoil spring has also softened the recoil. They respond well to Wolf spring kits.

Not a lot of brass around, but fortunately you can make it fairly easily from 9mm Luger brass. I expand them out and trim them back then load with lead bullets. I shoot those for practice then I have fire-formed brass to use. I have a stash of Hornady XTP's for the Makarov I load for self-defense. They've been discontinued but pop up on the auction site sometimes.

Prvi Partizan also sells a hollow point for the caliber. There are plenty of cast LRN and plated bullets for it. I also have a mold if need be.

Thanks Glen,
Nice to meet a fellow R-61 owner! 9x18 in a PPK was about the best we could do power/size in the 90's. for a semi.
You sound like a "Brother from a different Mother" i am right there with you,
- hardest DA trigger i ever used,(never went off in my pocket,
always reliable, although i have not carried it for years.
-nice tip on springs and loading tips,
-I also have a stash of Hornady XTP's for the Makarov (1962 E German)
- Prices on GB are ~650-700 for .380's and a few hundred more for 9x18 originals.
- I got mine from KBI back in the early 90's, matching #s including the mag (spare mag has different #s). also has the correct grips including the thumb swell grips. still a little "yellow tinge" as i never completely cleaned all the preservative-just enough to use. very nice guns like unissued.
R-61 cant be many of us out here
Smiles, Mike

 

[gym cat]

To Me: Whatever caliber, gun, to which you are most comfortable and which one you shoot the best.