It’s being reported by several outlets that manpower was diverted to a Jill Biden event. Is this true? Who knows.
Secret Service Protection with a serious question
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Speaking of protection, I couldn't help but notice that a 5 foot nothing woman was trying to be a shield. The top of her head came up to his chest. Then there's the other 3 who looked like they were preforming and bad comedy skit.
notsofast
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I do agree that they covered him quickly and kept him down but when allowing him to be uncovered for the fist pump and his walking upright offstage he was exposed. At this time the SS didn’t know that this wasn’t a lone shooter. It’s a tough job but too many cracks in the armor for me.
Back when W was president, the law was changed to only provide Secret Service protection for 10 years after leaving office. Under O's administration, it was changed back to lifetime. For just O and later, or does W still have protection?
Yes. He's never been free of death threats, domestic and foreign.
I also noticed there was no rush to remove him from the stage. Of course, some seconds were spend checking for injuries--why his tie and shirt were askew--and I'm sure Trump was telling them to wait so he could wave and fist pump. Can't let a good crisis go to waste.
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I thought the same thing. Trump's head was exposed the majority of the time, and they had no way of knowing that the shooter was alone. Seems like a kevlar shield, or umbrella, or anything at all woulda been a good idea.
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Here is another issue that may never be addressed.
ALL law enforcement agencies, federal, state & local are severely short staffed and I believe we are going to see that this was a major issue here. I believe the SS pre-site assessment of the locality, venue and expected atmosphere of the attendees lead to a false belief they could get by with or had to get by with whatever personnel they had available.
I also wonder how many SS people were already in Milwaukee and therefore NOT available here?
I read recently that the SS is no exception to being short handed and their people (uniformed and non-uniformed) were working weeks without days off and 12 to 16 hour days leading to agent burnout, and that was BEFORE they even approached the conventions.
I have worked SS details and there is always a communication issue between all the agencies (Federal, State & Local) because contrary to popular belief, there is NO commonality of radio frequencies/radio equipment. This causes delays with critical information having to be passed through several relays to get sometimes critical questions and answers to/from the correct people.
I was a participant in the planning phase of a SS detail and even then (25+ years ago) they had to borrow other Federal non-SS agents (FBI, DEA, DHS, ATF) to help with man-power, they also relied heavily on state and local agencies which again complicated communication issues. Also there were parts of the plan that those not with the SS supposedly did have the need to know. We were all just briefed and made aware of our own little slice of the pie.
ALL law enforcement agencies, federal, state & local are severely short staffed and I believe we are going to see that this was a major issue here. I believe the SS pre-site assessment of the locality, venue and expected atmosphere of the attendees lead to a false belief they could get by with or had to get by with whatever personnel they had available.
I also wonder how many SS people were already in Milwaukee and therefore NOT available here?
I read recently that the SS is no exception to being short handed and their people (uniformed and non-uniformed) were working weeks without days off and 12 to 16 hour days leading to agent burnout, and that was BEFORE they even approached the conventions.
I have worked SS details and there is always a communication issue between all the agencies (Federal, State & Local) because contrary to popular belief, there is NO commonality of radio frequencies/radio equipment. This causes delays with critical information having to be passed through several relays to get sometimes critical questions and answers to/from the correct people.
I was a participant in the planning phase of a SS detail and even then (25+ years ago) they had to borrow other Federal non-SS agents (FBI, DEA, DHS, ATF) to help with man-power, they also relied heavily on state and local agencies which again complicated communication issues. Also there were parts of the plan that those not with the SS supposedly did have the need to know. We were all just briefed and made aware of our own little slice of the pie.
Protection for former President's wasn't enacted until 1965. It expanded to their widows in 1968.
After leaving office, President Harry Truman and his wife took a long road trip by automobile with no protection, or other assistance, as documented in the book "Harry Truman's Excellent Adventure". Harry had been the target of an assassination attempt in 1950 by two Puerto Rican pro-independence "activists".
After leaving office, President Harry Truman and his wife took a long road trip by automobile with no protection, or other assistance, as documented in the book "Harry Truman's Excellent Adventure". Harry had been the target of an assassination attempt in 1950 by two Puerto Rican pro-independence "activists".
ColbyBruce
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Jimmy Carter used to come to north Georgia and fly fish the Soque River. He would be surrounded by some six to ten fellows, but I am unsure what level of service they provided for him.
Not even the SS can tell Trump what to do if he doesn't feel like it.
He had protection. He was given a revolver from either S&W or Colt. I forget which. 2” Snubby 38 if I recall correctly
Patrick L
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You know, in just reading this thread I continue to be impressed by the caliber of character of our members. I'm a regular here and on Cast Boolits, and much more recently Shotgun World. There are similar threads on all of the forums, naturally. Thats not surprising. Not only is this world news, but in this particular election gun owners are very much paying attention. But on Shotgun World in particular, these threads quickly (like within the first 10 posts) degenerated into name calling conspiracy theory hissy fits. And the administration there is the worst part. I only hang out there because the knowlege of SOME of the members in all things shotgun is as good as ours is in all things Smith & Wesson.
My point is you are all a fine bunch of gentlemen (and ladies I'm sure) and I'm proud to be a member here.
My point is you are all a fine bunch of gentlemen (and ladies I'm sure) and I'm proud to be a member here.
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In a free society it will always be possible for a radical person to attempt
to assassinate or comet mayham. In a police state [country] it is much harder
to assassinate or comet mayham. In a police state [country] it is much harder
Truman was given a Chiefs Special, but he was a long time gun owner and hunter before that, as was his father.
As an example, when he was discharged as a Captain after WW I, he brought home a 1911 , and a 1917.
As an example, when he was discharged as a Captain after WW I, he brought home a 1911 , and a 1917.
Super Trucker
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You have the wrong president, Clinton signed the law limiting it to 10 years but he was exempt, W was the first to be on the 10 year plan.
The first link I pulled up was CBS, if you don't trust them there are dozens more. I am just adding this to show the dates of when the laws were signed.
Obama restores lifetime Secret Service for former presidents - CBS News
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This story of local police officer climbing a ladder and observing the shooter seems to be repeatedly cited in the media.
Gunman pointed rifle at local officer before firing at Trump during rally, sources tell AP | PBS News
Qualification - I haven’t been part of a USSS planning for a Presidential visit for about 20 years. Did participate in several as a youngster.
This comports with my understanding that local law enforcement and the draft of other federal law enforcement often support the USSS. Moreover, the security of the outer perimeter is largely left to those pick-up teams and close protection is mostly a USSS mission.
Like most things gone tragically wrong, there’s a probably plenty of blame to go around. As for the police officer who climbed the ladder - Bravo Zulu. You may have prevented a much greater tragedy.
My heart aches for the man killed and the other man seriously injured. There’s no place for violence in our politics.
Gunman pointed rifle at local officer before firing at Trump during rally, sources tell AP | PBS News
Qualification - I haven’t been part of a USSS planning for a Presidential visit for about 20 years. Did participate in several as a youngster.
This comports with my understanding that local law enforcement and the draft of other federal law enforcement often support the USSS. Moreover, the security of the outer perimeter is largely left to those pick-up teams and close protection is mostly a USSS mission.
Like most things gone tragically wrong, there’s a probably plenty of blame to go around. As for the police officer who climbed the ladder - Bravo Zulu. You may have prevented a much greater tragedy.
My heart aches for the man killed and the other man seriously injured. There’s no place for violence in our politics.
I'll ask again:
How did the kid know that that rooftop offered a clear line of sight to the stage, was unguarded and was climbable? How? Was he that smart, that good of a planner?
I can't be the only one questioning the government approved narrative.
How did the kid know that that rooftop offered a clear line of sight to the stage, was unguarded and was climbable? How? Was he that smart, that good of a planner?
I can't be the only one questioning the government approved narrative.
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Ματθιας;142033594 said:
Actually, you could.
In 2017, then-President Trump visited the Philippines. There his security detail was Secret Service, some Diplomatic Security from the Embassy, and the Philippine National Police (most had no radios). The dignitary protection system for Trump there was exactly as it was in the every US jurisdiction I've worked where there was a Presidential or Presidential candidate or Vice-Presidential event.
Real-world events aren't movies or media.
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