Shooting on Lackland Air Force Base

[Beemerguy53]

I erased my original snarky comment.

But, I take it that when you tack this on to me pointing out the couple of recent probing of gate security issues in that area, I somehow need a lesson on the real world.

If not, my mistake, but thanks for your expertise in the area, to help me understand.

Guess I replaced the original one with another one. Sorry.

I wasn't trying to teach you a lesson, sir. I was amplifying and buttressing the important point you made in your comment regarding attempts to probe or breach security at certain facilities. This activity happens constantly, yet most Americans are oblivious to it, and I appreciated your point and wished to add to it.

Anyone engaged in the field of national security, either directly by working for Uncle Sam, or indirectly by working for a contractor, can recount the regular and ongoing attempts to acquire information that can be used against us. And yet, the very same Americans who see dark conspiracies in a young loser trying to change history, scoff at solid evidence of foreign governments trying to interfere in our elections and compromise our physical security. I'll never understand that...

 

[326MOD10]

My apologies. My mistake.

I over thunk it and took it the wrong way.

 

[coltle6920]

Not the exact quote but it has been said that the difference between a conspiracy theory and the truth is a matter of weeks or months.

Thousands of military aged men and boys have crossed our Southern border. No one knows for sure what their true intentions are. We foolishly release them on their own recognizance to disappear to only God knows where. Something bad is going to happen on a major scale. It's just a matter of time and time is on their side.

Don't ever believe that those in power have your safety and best interests in mind.

 

[Beemerguy53]

Not the exact quote but it has been said that the difference between a conspiracy theory and the truth is a matter of weeks or months.

Thousands of military aged men and boys have crossed our Southern border. No one knows for sure what their true intentions are. We foolishly release them on their own recognizance to disappear to only God knows where. Something bad is going to happen on a major scale. It's just a matter of time and time is on their side.

Don't ever believe that those in power have your safety and best interests in mind.

Respectfully, what is the source for your statement that "thousands of military aged men and boys have crossed our southern border"? Have you witnessed this phenomenon personally? Or are you repeating what you've heard on whatever news source you depend upon for information? And what is "military aged" anyway? Isn't that term designed to inflame rather than inform?

Yes, border security is a national security issue, and yes, we need to change the way we address those who ask to be admitted to the USA by claiming they're seeking asylum. We also need to prevent any and all unauthorized individuals from crossing our border. But based upon what I see in the greater Baltimore-Washington area, I suspect the "true intention" of the vast majority of those who enter the USA (legally or otherwise) is to make money to send home, and to build better lives for themselves.

 

[coltle6920]

Respectfully, what is the source for your statement that "thousands of military aged men and boys have crossed our southern border"? Have you witnessed this phenomenon personally? Or are you repeating what you've heard on whatever news source you depend upon for information? And what is "military aged" anyway? Isn't that term designed to inflame rather than inform?

Yes, border security is a national security issue, and yes, we need to change the way we address those who ask to be admitted to the USA by claiming they're seeking asylum. We also need to prevent any and all unauthorized individuals from crossing our border. But based upon what I see in the greater Baltimore-Washington area, I suspect the "true intention" of the vast majority of those who enter the USA (legally or otherwise) is to make money to send home, and to build better lives for themselves.

You start by using the word "respectfully" then somewhat sarcastically ask if I personally witnessed what I wrote. There are pictures but better yet videos of what I'm saying. You suggest that a majority of those that try to enter illegally probably have good intentions. How do you know that? Are you repeating what you've heard on whatever news source you depend upon for information?

And what is "military aged" anyway?

That term needs no defining and I am not the one who coined it.

I also added that no one knows what their true intentions are but I guess that didn't fit your narrative. I stand by what I wrote.

 

[mtgianni]

I wasn't trying to teach you a lesson, sir. I was amplifying and buttressing the important point you made in your comment regarding attempts to probe or breach security at certain facilities. This activity happens constantly, yet most Americans are oblivious to it, and I appreciated your point and wished to add to it.

I had the opportunity to visit Langley, VA and tour a government facility there. Before we left for the drive, the employee instructed us to turn our phones off. It is suspected that there are entities in the world that scan for telephones entering that place and then follow them to their homes. One such entity known to do so was the New York Times newspaper. Several others suspected of tracking them have roots in Europe and Asia and are not newspapers.

I believe most of us are lacking awareness to security measures at Federal facilities.

 

[bgrafsr]

Not much is unknown about the annex. Back in the early 1960s there was a serious nuke device explosive incident there, but it was not a nuclear detonation.

I remember some similar shoot ‘em up incidents at other AFB gates. I was TDY at Luke once when someone tried to crash a gate and was killed by a gate guard.

I was working the main gate at Webb AFB, TX and a jealous boyfriend shot a Sgt. just after leaving the Base. The boyfriend hid in the car and waited until they were off Base to shoot him.

 

[Buzzzer]

It's not just here either. U.S. Embassy's around the world deal with this stuff as well. I, personally, know of a situation at one embassy where a guy made it all the way to the blast doors and blew himself up. Thankfully the doors did their job but guess it was a mess...

 

[LVSteve]

I had the opportunity to visit Langley, VA and tour a government facility there. Before we left for the drive, the employee instructed us to turn our phones off. It is suspected that there are entities in the world that scan for telephones entering that place and then follow them to their homes. One such entity known to do so was the New York Times newspaper. Several others suspected of tracking them have roots in Europe and Asia and are not newspapers.

I believe most of us are lacking awareness to security measures at Federal facilities.

How many in your party got that 'special look' on their face at this request? For real entertainment, check out the reaction when the instruction is to leave their phones or electronic devices somewhere.

So the NYT got themselves a Stingray?

 

[Harrison]

Sounds like they handled it well. I wonder if the shooter had some beef with the base or what it represents, or whether it was just some dumbass getting his kicks. It seems unusual that they guy would come back. Hopefully, he got discouraged after they fired at him and even more hopefully, they have enough of a description of the vehicle/perp to find them.

Respectfully, what is the source for your statement that "thousands of military aged men and boys have crossed our southern border"? Have you witnessed this phenomenon personally? Or are you repeating what you've heard on whatever news source you depend upon for information? And what is "military aged" anyway? Isn't that term designed to inflame rather than inform?

Yes, border security is a national security issue, and yes, we need to change the way we address those who ask to be admitted to the USA by claiming they're seeking asylum. We also need to prevent any and all unauthorized individuals from crossing our border. But based upon what I see in the greater Baltimore-Washington area, I suspect the "true intention" of the vast majority of those who enter the USA (legally or otherwise) is to make money to send home, and to build better lives for themselves.

If you lived near the border, which many Texans do, you might have a different outlook and what is going on down there.

 

[Beemerguy53]

You start by using the word "respectfully" then somewhat sarcastically ask if I personally witnessed what I wrote. There are pictures but better yet videos of what I'm saying. You suggest that a majority of those that try to enter illegally probably have good intentions. How do you know that? Are you repeating what you've heard on whatever news source you depend upon for information?


That term needs no defining and I am not the one who coined it.

I also added that no one knows what their true intentions are but I guess that didn't fit your narrative. I stand by what I wrote.

I wasn't being sarcastic at all...that's why I used the word "respectfully". I know people who have been to the border and witnessed what's happening firsthand...I have no idea if you have also done that. Apparently you haven't.

This is what you wrote: "Thousands of military aged men and boys have crossed our Southern border." That's a statement of fact, not an opinion.

I wrote: "I suspect the "true intention" of the vast majority of those who enter the USA (legally or otherwise) is to make money to send home, and to build better lives for themselves." The difference between our statements is clear.

If you're interested in facts about the people who are coming here, there are many sources of information. Here's just one: What we know about unauthorized immigrants living in the U.S. | Pew Research Center

Here's some information about crimes committed by illegal immigrants: Criminal Noncitizen Statistics | U.S. Customs and Border Protection Let me state for the record that while nobody should be in this country illegally, and nobody should commit crimes, given the millions of people who've gotten across our border over the past several decades, the number of crimes they've committed doesn't seem to me to indicate that most, or even many, of them, entered here with ill intent.

Therefore, having offered evidence to support my opinion -- and to show it's not simply a 'narrative' -- I stand by what I wrote.

 

[Beemerguy53]

If you lived near the border, which many Texans do, you might have a different outlook and what is going on down there.

I don't condone or excuse illegal immigration, and nothing I've written can be construed that way. Our border should be secure...period. Having said that, I don't think that most or even many of the people who are crossing the Rio Grande illegally are coming here with ill intent. Everything I've read indicates that they are simply looking to earn money and better their lives, and available information from CBP seems to support that. Criminal Noncitizen Statistics | U.S. Customs and Border Protection

My biggest concern about the border is the possibility that bad actors from overseas will fly to Central or South America and then exploit our weak border security to enter our country and commit acts of terrorism. In my opinion, that's the biggest incentive we have to improve border security and keep people from entering here illegally. A mother and children crossing illegally, or a young man seeking work, are breaking the law, but do not pose a risk to Americans' safety.

 

[Rudi]

Have heard/read nothing about this today either. Memory hole?

 

[coltle6920]

From Beemerguy53...

My biggest concern about the border is the possibility that bad actors from overseas will fly to Central or South America and then exploit our weak border security to enter our country and commit acts of terrorism.

Wow! If that's not profiling based on point of origin I don't know what is. Apparently only people from Central and South America have good intentions.

Again from Beemerguy53...

given the millions of people who've gotten across our border over the past several decades, the number of crimes they've committed doesn't seem to me to indicate that most, or even many, of them, entered here with ill intent.

So how many have entered the U.S illegally in the last 3yrs alone? Tack on to that how many have entered illegally in the past several decades (your words). No one has suggested that MOST of them are here with ill intent. You also either can't or wont quantify what the word MANY equates to but to you it is apparently an insignificant number of the tens of millions that have come here illegally. Try explaining that to those that lost loved ones to rape,robbery and murder.

I say bring back interment camps on the level of those used during WWII. If you don't have relatives or means to support yourself you aren't released. If you are suspicious under any circumstances you will be deported. The whole idea of "catch and release" is what is causing most of our problems.

 

[Beemerguy53]

Wow! If that's not profiling based on point of origin I don't know what is. Apparently only people from Central and South America have good intentions.

I'm not sure if you can't comprehend what I wrote, of if you're just being snarky, but I'll assume for the sake of argument that you really don't understand how people come into our country.

DHS's Secure Flight system flags people who are considered security risks when they book airline flights. Some of those might be subjected to additional screening, and others are denied boarding altogether. If a foreign national is a bad guy, Secure Flight will prevent him from flying into the USA...but there is nothing to prevent him from flying to Brazil, or Argentina, or Mexico, or Columbia, or Chile, etc., and making his way north until he gets to our southern border. That's not profiling...but I think you know that.

DHS/TSA/PIA 018 TSA Secure Flight | Homeland Security

So how many have entered the U.S illegally in the last 3yrs alone? Tack on to that how many have entered illegally in the past several decades (your words). No one has suggested that MOST of them are here with ill intent. You also either can't or wont quantify what the word MANY equates to but to you it is apparently an insignificant number of the tens of millions that have come here illegally. Try explaining that to those that lost loved ones to rape, robbery and murder.

I'm not sure what point you think you're making about crime and illegal immigrants, but we needn't debate what "many" means...there are clear facts and figures available. Cut and paste the phrase "rate of crime for native born Americans versus illegal immigrants" into Google and you'll find a large number of reports and documents, from a wide variety of sources, indicating that immigrants who come here illegally commit crimes at a lower rate than native-born Americans. Here's one of many:

Immigrants less likely to commit crimes than U.S.-born : NPR

In your initial post on this thread you wrote: "Thousands of military aged men and boys have crossed our Southern border. No one knows for sure what their true intentions are. We foolishly release them on their own recognizance to disappear to only God knows where. Something bad is going to happen on a major scale. It's just a matter of time and time is on their side." Your xenophobic innuendo and fear mongering notwithstanding, I think the evidence shows pretty clearly that their "true intentions" are simply to work and earn money. Do some of them commit crimes while here? Yes. But the facts indicate that on the whole, they obey the law.

I say bring back interment camps on the level of those used during WWII. If you don't have relatives or means to support yourself you aren't released. If you are suspicious under any circumstances you will be deported. The whole idea of "catch and release" is what is causing most of our problems.

Nobody should enter the USA illegally...period. Our borders should be 100% secure...period. But if you Google the phrase "percentage of US population here illegally" you'll find the figures 11,000,000 and 3% of the total US population coming up in a number of documents.

That's a lot of human beings to put into internment camps. How and where would you house them? Feed them? Provide medical care for them? The idea is unworkable, and nobody in a serious policy-making position supports it.

It's time for all sides of the political aisle to stop their partisan bickering and posturing, and work together for the good of our country to secure the border and address this issue.

 

[mtgianni]

How many in your party got that 'special look' on their face at this request? For real entertainment, check out the reaction when the instruction is to leave their phones or electronic devices somewhere.

So the NYT got themselves a Stingray?

We were a party of two and knew the employee well. It was stated in a manner of suggestion in a tone that we would be foolish not to comply.

NYT not only got a Stingray, they published names in the interest of public knowledge.

 

[ladder13]

If you lived near the border, which many Texans do, you might have a different outlook and what is going on down there.

Someone who actually lives there and not a thousand miles away would know what is going on?

 

[coltle6920]

Beemerguy53 You have no clue what you are talking about. You can't even remember what you wrote in a previous post.

My biggest concern about the border is the possibility that bad actors from overseas will fly to Central or South America and then exploit our weak border security to enter our country and commit acts of terrorism.

You ignore what I said and talk about screening for direct flights into the U.S, You can't make a cohesive argument without changing the subject.

I'm not sure what point you think you're making about crime and illegal immigrants, but we needn't debate what "many" means...there are clear facts and figures available. Cut and paste the phrase "rate of crime for native born Americans versus illegal immigrants"

Again you can't argue the subject so you choose to redefine it. The subject is the percentage of crimes illegals committed vs the total of illegals entering this Country. Again you have no argument so you change the narrative.

That's a lot of human beings to put into internment camps. How and where would you house them? Feed them? Provide medical care for them? The idea is unworkable, and nobody in a serious policy-making position supports it.

First off nobody would suggest trying to roundup those that are already here illegally. They are already being housed,fed,given medical care and money so what's the big deal. My suggestion would be to intern any future illegal crossers because the judicial system doesn't work. You have to start somewhere.

I'm done conversing with you. You can't argue the subject so you change it. You flip-flop more than a fish out of water.

 

[Doug M.]

What bothers me most is that they had an opportunity to prepare and return fire and did not kill the offenders. In my reserve LE days, I had some encounters with SF at a base and they came loaded when it looked like the excrement was headed for the fan.

 

[326MOD10]

In regard to the above posting:

San Antonio isn't a combat zone.

First it is not likely that anyone thought the car would return 3 hours later to make another run. The first time by was probably unusual enough.

Second, I think setting up a hasty ambush would be frowned upon since it would have been off the base and out into the City.

Third the vehicle was moving when they fired, if I read it correct I thought is said drive by but I may be wrong, and hitting that moving target is a little tougher. Not to mention every round fired is going to land somewhere.

In regard to the issue of Illegal Immigration and crimes committed, isn't the act of illegally entering a violation of the law in and of itself? That would put that number at 100%.