Shooting on Lackland Air Force Base

[DWalt]

There was a break in the case today. There has been a ballistic match of fired cases recovered at the Lackland gate with fired cases from another shooting in which a man and his kid were shot earlier. There are two viable suspects in that shooting, identified by name as couple of teen-aged (17 and 19) Mexican guys. So far they have not been tracked down by the San Antonio police. But at least they are known, and their pictures were shown in the news broadcast a few minutes ago. Unstated, but they probably already have an arrest record. I’d guess they will be facing Federal charges over the Lackland shooting if caught.

 

[fordson]

If found, arrested and charged, I would hope that their charges would not get plea bargain down to misdemeanor and time served…….

 

[Rudi]

I hope these punks get the book. Federal charges.

 

[DWalt]

If found, arrested and charged, I would hope that their charges would not get plea bargain down to misdemeanor and time served…….

That would probably happen under the current Bexar County prosecutor, bought and paid for by George Soros. Federal conviction would be much better under a Federal prosecutor. And not much chance for parole from a Federal prison.

 

[Beemerguy53]

...My suggestion would be to intern any future illegal crossers because the judicial system doesn't work. You have to start somewhere...I'm done conversing with you. You can't argue the subject so you change it. You flip-flop more than a fish out of water.

You accuse me of flip-flopping??? Thanks for the knee-slapper!

Here's what you wrote which provoked my first responses...

Not the exact quote but it has been said that the difference between a conspiracy theory and the truth is a matter of weeks or months.

Thousands of military aged men and boys have crossed our Southern border. No one knows for sure what their true intentions are. We foolishly release them on their own recognizance to disappear to only God knows where. Something bad is going to happen on a major scale. It's just a matter of time and time is on their side.

Don't ever believe that those in power have your safety and best interests in mind.

...I say bring back interment camps on the level of those used during WWII. If you don't have relatives or means to support yourself you aren't released. If you are suspicious under any circumstances you will be deported. The whole idea of "catch and release" is what is causing most of our problems.

Your xenophobia and fear-mongering speaks for itself.

 

[Beemerguy53]

That would probably happen under the current Bexar County prosecutor, bought and paid for by George Soros...

What possible interest does a 94 year old New Yorker have in who gets elected as the prosecutor in San Antonio, Texas??? Link, please? Thanks.

 

[smoothshooter]

Respectfully, what is the source for your statement that "thousands of military aged men and boys have crossed our southern border"? Have you witnessed this phenomenon personally? Or are you repeating what you've heard on whatever news source you depend upon for information? And what is "military aged" anyway? Isn't that term designed to inflame rather than inform?

Yes, border security is a national security issue, and yes, we need to change the way we address those who ask to be admitted to the USA by claiming they're seeking asylum. We also need to prevent any and all unauthorized individuals from crossing our border. But based upon what I see in the greater Baltimore-Washington area, I suspect the "true intention" of the vast majority of those who enter the USA (legally or otherwise) is to make money to send home, and to build better lives for themselves.

But the question is “are the risks we take by letting millions of people we know nothing about into the country worth the damage and deaths members of an immigrant terror cell could inflict on our society “? Municipal water supply poisoning, dirty bomb, etc.
Can we afford to hire an additional 250,000 background investigators to process these people that we don’t have to take in anyway?
Both borders should be totally shut down immediately and indefinitely.
FYI, military age is generally accepted to be 17 to 35-40 years old.


If you are so ill-informed that you think the borders are secure there are plenty of videos on all kinds of web sites thet show the throngs of border crashers that are miles long and 6 to 10 abreast coming in EVERY DAY. The government’s (Border Patrol) own numbers reflect that.
My solution would be to issue every military aged male immigrant wannabe an AK-47, 200 rounds of ammo, a few grenades, turn them around and point them south, and tell them to go home and fix their country.
It’s what real men would do.

 

[Beemerguy53]

...In regard to the issue of Illegal Immigration and crimes committed, isn't the act of illegally entering a violation of the law in and of itself? That would put that number at 100%.

Excellent point, and exactly right. Anybody who enters the USA illegally has broken our laws in doing so. And no one should ever enter the USA illegally (or overstay a visa, for that matter, which is a significant means of illegal immigration).

However, let's try to be objective about this, if we can...

From all available evidence, the majority of illegal immigrants to the USA come here to work and earn money. Because they're here illegally, they need to keep a low profile, and stay out of trouble, hence their relatively low crime rate. Staying "under the radar" is hard work, and because they are illegals, and need to keep a low profile, they can be victimized by criminals or human traffickers.

Yes, we need to have a secure border, and no one should ever enter the USA illegally...but they do, and we can't discuss that issue rationally if we're not objective and clear-eyed about it. As I have said before: Both sides of the aisle need to cooperate to work on this issue and find a way to address it. It's not as simple as building a wall, or putting people in internment camps. And the problem won't go away on its own.

Just a moment...

 

[Beemerguy53]

But the question is “are the risks we take by letting millions of people we know nothing about worth the damage and deaths members of an immigrant terror cell could inflict on our society “?

If you are so ill-informed that you think the borders are secure there are plenty of videos on all kinds of web sites thet show the throngs of border crashers that are miles long and 6 to 10 abreast coming in EVERY DAY. The government’s (Border Patrol) own numbers reflect that.

Believe me, I KNOW how unsecure our borders are. And I agree that no one should enter the USA illegally. I am also well aware of the risks of the precise situation you mention, namely a terror cell sneaking across our border. I've written about this on this very thread.

But...the majority of those illegal border-crossers clearly are not terrorists or criminals, and they are coming here only to work and to try to earn money. No, they shouldn't be here illegally...but they are, and the challenge for us is to come up with a way to address that situation that is legal, constitutional, and practical.

Take the notion of internment camps...how would that work? How would the government go about identifying illegal aliens? There are "illegal aliens" here who look like most of us and speak unaccented English, and there are American citizens who look nothing like us and don't speak a word of English...so how do we select the people who go to internment camps? How do we feed and clothe and care for them?

Slogans are one thing...practical, workable policies are another.

 

[smoothshooter]

Excellent point, and exactly right. Anybody who enters the USA illegally has broken our laws in doing so. And no one should ever enter the USA illegally (or overstay a visa, for that matter, which is a significant means of illegal immigration).

However, let's try to be objective about this, if we can...

From all available evidence, the majority of illegal immigrants to the USA come here to work and earn money. Because they're here illegally, they need to keep a low profile, and stay out of trouble, hence their relatively low crime rate. Staying "under the radar" is hard work, and because they are illegals, and need to keep a low profile, they can be victimized by criminals or human traffickers.

Yes, we need to have a secure border, and no one should ever enter the USA illegally...but they do, and we can't discuss that issue rationally if we're not objective and clear-eyed about it. As I have said before: Both sides of the aisle need to cooperate to work on this issue and find a way to address it. It's not as simple as building a wall, or putting people in internment camps. And the problem won't go away on its own.

Just a moment...

Actually, it IS as simple as building a wall, for starters. If walls don’t work, why do the White House, the Vatican, prisons, and other high-profile places have them?
WE DON’T NEED MORE PEOPLE WHO HAVE NO INTENTION OF ASSIMILATING.
Ever wonder what the environmental impact of adding 12 million new people to the US has on our natural resources? Nobody talks about that.

 

[Beemerguy53]

Actually, it IS as simple as building a wall, for starters. If walls don’t work, why do the White House, the Vatican, prisons, and other high-profile places have them?

Building a physical barrier across our entire southern border is impractical on a scale that makes it just about impossible. Here's just one article on the subject...if you Google it, you will find many more.

The Wall: The real costs of a barrier between the United States and Mexico

...WE DON’T NEED MORE PEOPLE WHO HAVE NO INTENTION OF ASSIMILATING.

Ah, assimilation...the great contentious issue faced by immigrants for generations. Based on what I've seen (and I admit I don't have a link to share on this) immigrants might or might not "assimilate"...but if they stay, their progeny certainly do.

My great-grandparents came here legally from Europe in the late 1800s. They didn't speak English, they dressed funny, and they stood out as different. Their son, my grandfather, was born in 1900 and didn't learn English until he went to school. His son -- my father -- was born in 1924 and spoke only English. In one generation my family "assimilated".

The lady who cleans the office where I work immigrated here. She speaks only a little English, but she is a proud US citizen who loves this country. Her daughter works for the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, and speaks perfect unaccented American English. I would say their family assimilated, wouldn't you?

 

[DWalt]

What possible interest does a 94 year old New Yorker have in who gets elected as the prosecutor in San Antonio, Texas??? Link, please? Thanks.

Just to answer your question, this is a brief article about Soros’ DAs. There are many other similar articles, some much more extensive.
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[Beemerguy53]

Just to answer your question, this is a brief article about Soros’ DAs. There are many other similar articles, some much more extensive.
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Interesting...thank you. Y'know, if I am lucky enough to make it to 94 years old, I guarantee you the last thing I'll be worried about it is who the local prosecutor is halfway across the country!

 

[delta-419]

1938

In 1938 the British knew that WWII was on their horizon. They started forming their civil defense networks and the old men and boys started practicing "the manual of arms" with hoes and sticks. There was a sever shortage of any type of firearm and the word crossed the Atlantic, " send us your surplus arms America", and we did. We also gave them lend-lease for government arms. The winds of war are always hot! What we are seeing "in the year of our Lord, 2024, is history repeating itself. Unlike the British, we fail to realize that the enemy is at the gate. I live in one of the largest military communities in this nation. It is not lost on me that I see groups of young men daily from China, one speaks perfect English and the rest speak Mandarin. There are others that speak languages I do not know. They have no families with them. They all seem to have money. What's the point??? All of my friends and shooting buddies are grey wolves (meaning they are old marines, soldiers, airmen and sailors). You don't have to ask us "Whats Comming!" They know. Prepare for tomorrow like 1939 will be here in 4 months. If you don't know history, read some!

 

[ladder13]

Denying the obvious with circular arguments seems to be the MO of some here.

Only took 19 bent on mayhem to change America forever.

 

[steelslaver]

Anyone who thinks a fence will stop people intending this country harm is disillusion. . Not only can any fence be climbed and once on to a ladder dropped, they can also be tunneled under or simply breached. Most of the drugs coming over the border are not in back packs, they are hidden in trucks, planes and I imagine that drones are now in use. Not to mention the tunnels.

In addition we share 5,500 miles of border with Canada, huge sections of it completely unguarded and unlatched. Both us and Canada have thousands of miles of absolutely wild coast line. Figure it out how hard it wouldn't be. Freighter to freighter at see or freighter to fishing boat or rubber boat to coast 10 miles from town.

Foreign ship coming into port, drops of small rubber boat or in the case of drugs a weighted package with a time release buoy and at a GPS location. You can buy timed releases that work by galvanic action for about $2 apiece in lots of 50. You can chose how long before they release 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 or 7 days etc

 

[smoothshooter]

Believe me, I KNOW how unsecure our borders are. And I agree that no one should enter the USA illegally. I am also well aware of the risks of the precise situation you mention, namely a terror cell sneaking across our border. I've written about this on this very thread.

But...the majority of those illegal border-crossers clearly are not terrorists or criminals, and they are coming here only to work and to try to earn money. No, they shouldn't be here illegally...but they are, and the challenge for us is to come up with a way to address that situation that is legal, constitutional, and practical.

Take the notion of internment camps...how would that work? How would the government go about identifying illegal aliens? There are "illegal aliens" here who look like most of us and speak unaccented English, and there are American citizens who look nothing like us and don't speak a word of English...so how do we select the people who go to internment camps? How do we feed and clothe and care for them?

Slogans are one thing...practical, workable policies are another.

We are Americans. We can accomplish anything we put our minds to.
A good start would be to make it illegal for employers to hire anyone who does not have the Real ID card/DL. Not just illegal, but with serious fines and jail time for violators.
The average illegal immigrant costs US taxpayers $24,000 dollars a year.
How much extra are you willing to kick in to help cover those costs when you pay your next tax bill?

 

[smoothshooter]

Believe me, I KNOW how unsecure our borders are. And I agree that no one should enter the USA illegally. I am also well aware of the risks of the precise situation you mention, namely a terror cell sneaking across our border. I've written about this on this very thread.

But...the majority of those illegal border-crossers clearly are not terrorists or criminals, and they are coming here only to work and to try to earn money. No, they shouldn't be here illegally...but they are, and the challenge for us is to come up with a way to address that situation that is legal, constitutional, and practical.

Take the notion of internment camps...how would that work? How would the government go about identifying illegal aliens? There are "illegal aliens" here who look like most of us and speak unaccented English, and there are American citizens who look nothing like us and don't speak a word of English...so how do we select the people who go to internment camps? How do we feed and clothe and care for them?

Slogans are one thing...practical, workable policies are another.

Our government has demonstrated it has the ability to identify and arrest years later 65 year old grandmothers standing on the lawn outside the White House during the January riots a few years ago and has spent hundreds of millions of taxpayer’s dollars doing so.
I think rounding up illegals and dumping them back in the countries they came from is very doable. We don’t have to get them all, but a million a year would be a good start, and send the message that the gravy train is over.

 

[DWalt]

I just saw on the TV news that the two Cholos who shot up the Lackland gate (plus one other victim who was shot later) were arrested. Both were 19.

 

[SAFireman]

I just saw on the TV news that the two Cholos who shot up the Lackland gate (plus one other victim who was shot later) were arrested. Both were 19.

Yup, and they tied the brass to a couple of other shootings as well.

They ought to let the DOD handle 'em, they won't bother anyone for a while.....hows the weather at club fed KS?