LEOSA qualification 8/29/24.

[WCCPHD]

Below I have copied the NC Administrative Code that covers law enforcement firearms training.

12 NCAC 09H .0102 MINIMUM TRAINING SPECIFICATIONS

(a) Firearms Training and Qualification shall consist of a minimum of four hours and include the requirements of Paragraphs (c), (d) and (e) of this Rule.

(b) Each qualified retired law enforcement officer shall qualify with each handgun he or she carries in accordance with the guidelines in the In-Service Firearms Qualification Manual as published by the North Carolina Justice Academy relating to rounds fired, distances, the ratio of shots fired from each yard line and positions of fire.

(c) Qualification shall include a day and night qualification course with each handgun he or she carries, and a single day and night combat course with one handgun that he or she carries.

(d) Each qualified retired law enforcement officer shall receive a minimum of two hours of instruction on the North Carolina laws of self-defense, the use of force by private citizens, detention of persons by private persons, and assistance to law enforcement officers by private citizens.

(e) Instruction shall include a review of firearms safety and basic marksmanship fundamentals.

(f) The qualification requirements shall be achieved at least once in a single day in no more than three attempts per day for each course of fire and for each weapon for which qualification is required. Officers not qualifying in a single day for each course of fire shall be deemed as a failure and the retired qualified law enforcement officers shall not be allowed to carry that weapon until such time as the qualification requirements have been met.

(g) Qualified retired law enforcement officers shall be certified for a period of 12 months from the date the application is approved by the Commission. Upon application for renewal, the certification shall be renewed by the Commission for 12-month periods provided the qualified retired law enforcement officer meets the rules specified in this Subchapter.

 

[geeollie]

When section (g) above states that a retired officer "shall be certified", is this just for the firearm qualification part of LEOSA? Or does NC do this for in NC retires to carry in NC?

 

[3S16]

There is a bill working it's way through congress entitled "LEOSA Reform Act of 2024" (H.R.354). It has passed the House 221-185 in May and is currently in the Senate Judiciary Committee.
There are a number of adjustments where LEOSA certified retirees can carry that were forbidden before. Also, It would clarify that retirees certified under LEOSA are NOT subject to state or local laws that restrict magazine capacity.
Interesting reading. Hope it passes the Senate.

 

[S-W4EVER]

... some States went all out overboard by passing some ridiculously difficult shooting proficiency testing including classroom study, day and night shooting, and multiple weapon requirements and restrictions. It was never meant to be that complicated of a process.

Funny how they require retirees to shoot at night when most of us aren't out at night very much.

When I was a rookie Trooper I noticed there weren't many seniors out at night and I thought, "well, they must not drive at night because they can't see that well". (To be fair, this was before cataract surgery became as commonplace as it is now.) Now that I'm a senior citizen (who has had cataract surgery) I see that seniors see all too well what's going on at night.

 

[WCCPHD]

When section (g) above states that a retired officer "shall be certified", is this just for the firearm qualification part of LEOSA? Or does NC do this for in NC retires to carry in NC?

From the NC DOJ's website.

A retired officer residing in North Carolina may meet the State's standards in one of two ways, as follows:

The retired officer may qualify with the agency from which he/she retired. Under this scenario, the agency is responsible for providing documentation to the retired officer to verify their completion of the annual in-service firearms training and qualification requirements. No documentation would have to be submitted to the Criminal Justice Standards Commission by the agency or the officer; or,

The retired officer may go to a Commission certified law enforcement Specialized Firearms Instructor and complete the training and qualification and then apply to the Criminal Justice Standards Commission for certification under the new Retired Law Enforcement Officers Firearms Qualification Certification Program.

The "shall be certified" speaks to certified to carry under LEOSA for that period of time.

 

[biku324]

This complexity of rules is yet another reason I prefer standard CCL.

 

[Recargador]

I'm a retired feral agent and am certified in AZ as a LEOSA Instructor along with giving the CCW class.
The recent legislation going through the Congress had a lot of pressure by the FBI. One thing they really wanted was the ability to carry in the cabin of a commercial aircraft. Active Feds can carry on or off duty. They didn't get it but carrying on Amtrac, a commercial bus or a US registered ship would be allowed.
The magazine capacity issue would be welcomed. I have to carry 10 round magazines when going west of the Colorado River.
I'm curious about Maryland because they have a 10 round magazine law. Do retired Maryland LEO have to abide by it or are they exempt because of their former employment?
Great subject! I've been following it since my former Congressman Duncan Hunter co- authored it way back in January 1995.

 

[Doug M.]

Putting aside the ignorance and constitutional flaws in the mag capacity limits, Glock is insistent that reduced capacity mags of any make are not to be used for duty/defense as they are not adequately reliable. When I go to stupid states, that means not be able to use a full sized Glock platform.

 

[rwt1405]

I'm a retired feral agent and am certified in AZ as a LEOSA Instructor along with giving the CCW class.
The recent legislation going through the Congress had a lot of pressure by the FBI. One thing they really wanted was the ability to carry in the cabin of a commercial aircraft. Active Feds can carry on or off duty. They didn't get it but carrying on Amtrac, a commercial bus or a US registered ship would be allowed.
The magazine capacity issue would be welcomed. I have to carry 10 round magazines when going west of the Colorado River.
I'm curious about Maryland because they have a 10 round magazine law. Do retired Maryland LEO have to abide by it or are they exempt because of their former employment?
Great subject! I've been following it since my former Congressman Duncan Hunter co- authored it way back in January 1995.

I believe the law in MD to be that you can not purchase magazines with greater then 10rds, IN MD

Residents can legally go to another state and purchase 15/17/etc. magazines, they just can not purchase them in MD

So, there is no 10 rd magazine limit for carry in MD

 

[Recargador]

I believe the law in MD to be that you can not purchase magazines with greater then 10rds, IN MD

Residents can legally go to another state and purchase 15/17/etc. magazines, they just can not purchase them in MD

So, there is no 10 rd magazine limit for carry in MD

Thank you.

 

[Recargador]

I believe the law in MD to be that you can not purchase magazines with greater then 10rds, IN MD

Residents can legally go to another state and purchase 15/17/etc. magazines, they just can not purchase them in MD

So, there is no 10 rd magazine limit for carry in MD

Maryland Magazine Capacity Laws: Limits, Penalties, and Exceptions

Explore Maryland’s magazine capacity laws, including restrictions, penalties, exceptions, and legal nuances affecting firearm owners.

legalclarity.org

I read this and it's as clear as mud. With a LEOSA qualification I'm good to go if I have to travel there.

The entire string is very interesting!

 

[rwt1405]

Maryland Magazine Capacity Laws: Limits, Penalties, and Exceptions

Explore Maryland’s magazine capacity laws, including restrictions, penalties, exceptions, and legal nuances affecting firearm owners.

legalclarity.org

I read this and it's as clear as mud. With a LEOSA qualification I'm good to go if I have to travel there.

The entire string is very interesting!

My understanding of the law, IANAL, is that the article you attached is NOT correct

Certainly is not how it was explained in my MD Wear & Carry course (and re-cert) by the Instructors

I'll see if I can find something in writing that is perhaps a little more "clear"

Try this, it should make things clearer

It is from MD Shall Issue, if you have an MD Wear & Carry permit, I suggest you join MSI

Magazines in Maryland

...

marylandshallissue.org

But I agree, they've taken something that SHOULD be simple, and made it complicated