After 25 years …no Internal Lock!

[Tom S.]

Duplicate threads merged.

 

[Model29-26.5]

Why would you buy one of these New classics when you can get an old one on GunBroker? A real one. One with a history, old-school Hammer nose, pinned.. recessed. Exactly what you're looking for. Why would you buy a new "classic" that purports to be something that is actually isn't?
The old ones are out there. They are on the market and for for sale.
I get it if there are none available, And you don't see them on GunBroker every day. Then I would get going for a new one, but all the time I'm seeing these on GunBroker why would I buy an imitation version of Something that I really want that is sometimes less expensive than the newer version with no hammer nose, No recessed cylinders, Inferior bluing, no pinned barrel, cheapo thin stocks?
Get an old 19.

 

[Tom S.]

Yeah, I don't either. I thought I saw it on the 10. But you know, if no lock is the selling point, why not take a close up photo where the lock used to be? Instead, we get angled shots.

I'm still going to buy another Python, tho.

No angle here - grabbed and enlarged from the S&W website:

 

[SWFan27]

I just bought my new Model 19 Classic in December for $940. I am consoling myself with the thought that I saved $160 and $260 when I factor in the $100 rebate I got from S&W. I don't use the lock and just ignore the thing.

 

[ladder13]

Call me when they produce a 586 2 1/2 inch even with that humpback frame. NL of course.

 

[scruffy]

I don't see a plug...

But I do see a two piece barrel. Ugh.

 

[S&W-Keeper]

Imagine that a collector S&W with a lock.

 

[Rick Sanborn]

This is a great step in the right direction. I really hope they do this with N frames. I'm all in for a new 4" M21 .44 special. The only reason I haven't bought one is the lock. I have one from the 50's but want a modern shooter.

 

[Fishinfool]

I will throw in my 2 cents. I owned 4 S&W revolvers with the lock. I don't care for the feature, but it's not a deal breaker for me. What is a deal breaker is the poor QC. Two of them, a 629-6, and a PC .44 Magnum Hunter are great, and good to go.

But then there are the other two. A recent production model 48 that felt "sticky", like it needed final fitting before being shipped. And it spit to the point I really didn't like shooting it, along with only so so accuracy, at best. It went down the road.

Then there is the model 29-10 four inch I bought a couple years back to give my older P&R guns a rest. Looked at a couple, and all had sticky cylinder opening and closing, and gritty actions. Found one that had a decent action, and in the gun shops poor lighting, looked OK. Once out in the sunlight, it was obvious the blueing was bad, with very noticeable cloudy smears on the frame. Photographed same, and sent an e-mail to S&W showing the defect. They stated it was normal, and declined a warranty return, though they would take it back for a refinish on my dime. It left a bad taste in my mouth. My newest magnum revolver purchases have been Colt's - Much better fit and finish. Heck even a couple of recent Uberti's that absolutely trounce S&W in fit and finish, for hundreds less.

Not saying S&W can't make a nice revolver, I just don't care for the crapp-shoot odds, and the attitude I experienced from CS with that 29.

Edited to add I forgot about the model 69 a buddy bought me as a present when he came into a boat load of money. It is also good to go. So, three out of five recent production guns that proved acceptable.

Larry

 

[ladder13]

But I do see a two piece barrel. Ugh.

Your eyes are not fooling you.

 

[686PC]

It's a move in the right direction, but from what I see the contoured area of the frame surrounding the hammer of the K frame (and J frames) is still ugly, this was done when the lock was implemented. To do it right in returning to the original design they should get back to the original frame design.

I believe that was done when they moved the to frame mounted firing pins.

Great news about the new non IL revolvers! Even better news would be if they got rid of those across their entire revolver line.

 

[CLMN]

It appears they also eliminated the integral cylinder stop on the frame and went back to the original one, but can't see for sure.

The forged frame lug appears to still be the norm.

Whatever you want to call it, it's still there... part of the frame forging. I guess that was a bridge too far for a retro gun despite some other nice touches.

 

[Telecaster]

Why would you buy one of these New classics when you can get an old one on GunBroker? A real one. One with a history, old-school Hammer nose, pinned.. recessed. Exactly what you're looking for.

I doubt I'd buy either one. On GB, you really don't know what you're getting till it's in your hands. It could be in bad shape and the seller lied about it, or a half-price mint condition gem.

With a factory new one, it could still be in bad shape or, well, a cubic zirconium.

 

[Engine49guy]

I don't see a plug, my buddy sez well ok they are upcharging for changing the guns.

I replied , They aren't doing anything extra, they are simply deleting drilling the hole in the side and installing the lock stuff which shoukd reduce the cost not increase it.
My bet is once the bean counters see there is interest and it costs less they will move that way with the rest of the lineup.
The timing is interesting or shoukd I say suspect being the rebate ended and there's about to be a power change in DC that is less anti gun.
Imo the biggest let down in these 3 models is the 19, same old grips, round butt frame etc just delete drilling the hole for a $170 upcharge.
Nope.

 

[SWFan27]

It is certainly step in the right direction for Smith & Wesson. Most guys on here won't buy one in the first place. They will find something to complain about with either the appearance or price. I had thought about getting a blued Colt Python before purchasing my Model 19 Classic.

First strike against the Colt was that it was not a Smith & Wesson. Second strike was that silly barcode stamped on the side. And the third strike was that the blued 4 inch model has the three vents/ribs or whatever you call them on top of the barrel, instead of two like the 4 inch stainless Python has. The blued one just looks funny and out of proportion. I greatly prefer my S&W Model 19 Classic.

 

[SWFan27]

I don't see a plug, my buddy sez well ok they are upcharging for changing the guns.

I replied , They aren't doing anything extra, they are simply deleting drilling the hole in the side and installing the lock stuff which shoukd reduce the cost not increase it.
My bet is once the bean counters see there is interest and it costs less they will move that way with the rest of the lineup.
The timing is interesting or shoukd I say suspect being the rebate ended and there's about to be a power change in DC that is less anti gun.
Imo the biggest let down in these 3 models is the 19, same old grips, round butt frame etc just delete drilling the hole for a $170 upcharge.
Nope.

I believe the no lock is $110 more than the S&W list price for the current version of the Model 19 Classic, which is $989. I believe the new one is $1099 list price.

 

[chief38]

Big news from S&W
Got an email showing pics of new revolvers with no IL

I saw that today. Not trying to be negative (I am thinking positive) as this is the best S&W news in decades. BUT unless they get their QC act together, it won't mean squat! Hopefully they have seen the light!!! Why am I skeptical??

 

[jpage]

A new corporate board or something else ?

 

[Rakkasan13F]

Thanks for the link, ladder 13. That model 10 even seems to have a LERK (Large Ejector Rod Knob).

It'll be interesting to see if all the folks who said they'd buy a new S&W if it didn't have the lock actually do.

I'll be putting my money where my mouth is. As soon as I can find a Model 10 Classic and confirm it's in good condition, I'll buy it.

 

[PatriotX]

(snip)
First strike against the Colt was that it was not a Smith & Wesson. Second strike was that silly barcode stamped on the side. And the third strike was that the blued 4 inch model has the three vents/ribs or whatever you call them on top of the barrel, instead of two like the 4 inch stainless Python has. The blued one just looks funny and out of proportion. I greatly prefer my S&W Model 19 Classic.

The QR code was a huge wart, far worse than the stiff, stacking trigger.

I couldn't look at it and moved mine along.