Arming teachers and guardians in Utah schools.

[Mule Packer]

Moderators, I'm not sure if this should be in the Lounge or in the Concealed Carry area, but I just caught this on the news.

I know some of our school districts were previously paying for their teachers to take concealed weapons training classes. My daughter-in-law was one of the teachers who was approached by her principal wanting to know if she was interested in getting her concealed carry permit. She simply smiled, showed him her purse, and said, "Thanks, but I already have it."

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejR9J1btmu4"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejR9J1btmu4[/ame]

 

[zeke]

A possible concern with using teachers to save children is legal liability. Hopefully covered by law, or school.

Am all for allowing those willing, but to expecting them to use in defense of others may be serious liability in a school.

 

[Rudi]

The most effective way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.

 

[taz666]

Ya, that Confucius dude was alright.

 

[Mule Packer]

A possible concern with using teachers to save children is legal liability. Hopefully covered by law, or school.

Am all for allowing those willing, but to expecting them to use in defense of others may be serious liability in a school.

Good point, but as long as they go through the training, I don't see them as being any different than the guards that are currently in other schools in other states.

 

[AugieTN]

If they are going to be in schools, they need to go through shoot/don't shoot training. Nobody knows how easy it is to make a mistake until you make one, and the shoot/don't shoot training will show how easy it is.

When I had shoot/don't shoot training, I had a person running at me that matched the description of the suspect. I yelled at him three times to stop. I saw steel coming out of his pocket and I shot. Turns out the steel was a case with a note inside that said he was deaf.

 

[zeke]

Good point, but as long as they go through the training, I don't see them as being any different than the guards that are currently in other schools in other states.

When working, was likely the first employee in our dept to cc after the Governor allowed employees to cc at work. One of the wardens, who was a sa, asked me if i would be running towards the front desk in case of a problem. I asked him if the State (doj) would be representing me in court, as they would him. This quieted him rather quickly.

The difference being it was in his job description, but not in mine. Actually having to shoot someone has serious legal ramifications. Even if the teacher was alright legally, civilly is a whole other ball game.

While not related to cc at work, was specifically trained by our doj what they could represent state employees for. And mostly it boiled down to job/position description, not training.

 

[smoothshooter]

If they are going to be in schools, they need to go through shoot/don't shoot training. Nobody knows how easy it is to make a mistake until you make one, and the shoot/don't shoot training will show how easy it is.

When I had shoot/don't shoot training, I had a person running at me that matched the description of the suspect. I yelled at him three times to stop. I saw steel coming out of his pocket and I shot. Turns out the steel was a case with a note inside that said he was deaf.

That should be considered a good shoot in real life.

 

[Mule Packer]

Gosh, I really didn't intend to open the proverbial "can of worms" of liability issues, so to speak. I just thought it was interesting that our state law enforcement agencies and department of education are trying to take steps to insure our children's safety in the case of deranged shooters entering our schools. Sadly, we have seen the tragic outcome of such in other school districts where administrators, teachers, and students remain helpless at the mercy of such individuals.

Perhaps I'm an over-concerned grandparent when it comes to the safety of my grandchildren, but I think that, if "push comes to shove," whether or not the perpetrator or his/her relatives are going to pursue a civil lawsuit after that person "opens up" at school children, will be the furthest thing from my mind.

Just my two cents worth.

 

[zeke]

Gosh, I really didn't intend to open the proverbial "can of worms" of liability issues, so to speak. I just thought it was interesting that our state law enforcement agencies and department of education are trying to take steps to insure our children's safety in the case of deranged shooters entering our schools. Sadly, we have seen the tragic outcome of such in other school districts where administrators, teachers, and students remain helpless at the mercy of such individuals.

Perhaps I'm an over-concerned grandparent when it comes to the safety of my grandchildren, but I think that, if "push comes to shove," whether or not the perpetrator or his/her relatives are going to pursue a civil lawsuit after that person "opens up" at school children, will be the furthest thing from my mind.
Just my two cents worth.

If i didn't give a **** about you and yours, would not have said anything. The video you link to specifically refers to people being paid to be "guardians". Not just teachers with their cc license. Not thinking about the criminal/civil ramifications of using your firearm may be ill advised.

not intending to offend, and sorry if i did
rant over

 

[Bald1]

If I were ever in a position to save just one life I would gladly face the music afterwards.