Victory of the BAVARIA MUNICIPAL POLICE

[ENNE-FRAME]

I saw, in the past few days, this Victory assigned to the BAVARIA MUNICIPAL POLICE on the Italian site for the purchase and sale of firearms, of which I attach the link.
Just a moment...
I then searched thoroughly and found the wholesaler who distributed them. link of this one too.
Revolver Smith&Wesson M&P Victory Cal.38sw - Nuova Jager
Unfortunately I do not have any serial number to indicate to insert them in the VICTORY DATA BASE. Only the photos to share.

The below photos are of two different revolvers, check the links attached

 

[6string]

Very interesting piece of history.
I'm guessing this would've been issued quite some time after the war, perhaps as part of the transition from fully armed allied occupation? If so, the serial number might play less of a role in establishing it's later function with police in Germany.
When Willi Korth wanted to make revolvers for the police market in Germany (early 1960s), he was barred from doing so as part of post-war conditions. He initially made "non-gun" blank firing starter pistols. By the latter part of the 1960s, he was eventually allowed to build 38 Special service style revolvers.
Somehow, this Victory model fits into that timeline.

By the way, the Armiusate site is very good! I see lots of stuff that is appealing, such as target gear from Pardini, Feinwerkbau, etc. I shoot lots of competitive air pistol and my Pardini stuff is some of my favorite! Much of it is hard to get here but obviously plentiful over there!

 

[ENNE-FRAME]

Very interesting piece of history.
I'm guessing this would've been issued quite some time after the war, perhaps as part of the transition from fully armed allied occupation? If so, the serial number might play less of a role in establishing it's later function with police in Germany.
When Willi Korth wanted to make revolvers for the police market in Germany (early 1960s), he was barred from doing so as part of post-war conditions. He initially made "non-gun" blank firing starter pistols. By the latter part of the 1960s, he was eventually allowed to build 38 Special service style revolvers.
Somehow, this Victory model fits into that timeline.

By the way, the Armiusate site is very good! I see lots of stuff that is appealing, such as target gear from Pardini, Feinwerkbau, etc. I shoot lots of competitive air pistol and my Pardini stuff is some of my favorite! Much of it is hard to get here but obviously plentiful over there!

I would like to find some list of the serial numbers of these Victorys available from the wholesaler.
The Armiusate site is my personal hunting reserve, many of the firearms I have purchased in recent years I have found there, consider that I monitor it about every half hour, speed is a must to grab the valuable pieces.

 

[MelvinWalker]

The fourth picture looks like a different gun than the other three pictures. It has a checkering on the grips and pictures 1-3 do not?

 

[ENNE-FRAME]

The fourth picture looks like a different gun than the other three pictures. It has a checkering on the grips and pictures 1-3 do not?

two different revolvers, check the links attached

 

[CHARLIE699]

An excellent example of post-WW2 armament. Various allied small arms were provided to the new Provincial governments during the reconstruction period. I've seen a few U.S. M1 carbines so marked.
I previously owned a S&W 1917 that had been marked "VICHY" by the Nazi-installed French regime (circa 1940-44). It was a U.S. Army marked revolver, probably left in France after the 1918 WW1 Armistice.
It had no import marks so I always wondered just how it returned to the U.S. after WW2. G.I. bringback maybe?
Unfortunately, my photos of revolver got lost with the "PhotoBucket" transition.
Maybe I'll track it down some day,,,,,,

 

[tlawler]

Unfortunately I do not have any serial number to indicate to insert them in the VICTORY DATA BASE. Only the photos to share.

I see s/n 568201 on the rear of the cylinder in the third photo.

 

[Muley Gil]

I see s/n 568201 on the rear of the cylinder in the third photo.

There is a "V" visible also.

 

[glowe]

So which gun is it that you are interested in? The one with plain stocks or the one with checkered stocks? As you stated in your post, the first link is the gun and the second is another example??? The checkered stock gun is an "S" serial number, but cannot make out the number?

 

[ENNE-FRAME]

I see s/n 568201 on the rear of the cylinder in the third photo.

I'm not be able to read any number in the cylinder photo, i have my eyes not in good conditiin

 

[ENNE-FRAME]

So which gun is it that you are interested in? The one with plain stocks or the one with checkered stocks? As you stated in your post, the first link is the gun and the second is another example??? The checkered stock gun is an "S" serial number, but cannot make out the number?

No, I have no interest in either, my post was just to show a Victory that is probably uncommon to see.

 

[Mikebiker]

I have a Bavarian M1 Carbine and it has been passed around a bit through other owners before being imported back here. The carbines have various marks indicating ownership by the Bavarian Forestry service and then it has marks to the other official owners. This was a common practice as stated above. The Victory Model and Carbine were well suited to the needs of these organizations and were in good supply at the time. To some these marks are deterrent to collectors and to others an interesting variation. My M1 has a lot of marks and can be traced to different agencies and countries so it has a documented history from WWII until it return to the US, that is more then can be said for most other Carbines. The same could be said for this Victory Model.

 

[tlawler]

No, I have no interest in either, my post was just to show a Victory that is probably uncommon to see.

Marcello, I enlarged the photo and tried adjusting the contrast and sharpness. Note the circled "V" as noted by Muley Gil.

 

[DWalt]

Would Bavaria Municipal Police be in English? or Kommunali Polizei Bayern?

 

[ENNE-FRAME]

Would Bavaria Municipal Police be in English? or Kommunali Polizei Bayern?

find another but München police marked so: "Wach-u. Schließ-Ges / München"
in this other one it would seem that the old stamping was milled away and replaced by the new one was then engraved with a pantograph.
Cal. .38S&W, SN. V 663421

found previous threads on the same topic:

Bavaria Municipal Police

Information on Bavarian Municipal Police revolver

Questions about the Bavaria Municipal Police Victory Model?

Bavaria Municipal Police Victory

 

[gunbarrel]

Whoever buys it needs a Bavarian Municipal Police US M-1 carbine to go with it...

U.S. Carbines in Germany and Austria

 

[AJ]

I have a Bavarian M1 Carbine and it has been passed around a bit through other owners before being imported back here. The carbines have various marks indicating ownership by the Bavarian Forestry service and then it has marks to the other official owners. This was a common practice as stated above. The Victory Model and Carbine were well suited to the needs of these organizations and were in good supply at the time. To some these marks are deterrent to collectors and to others an interesting variation. My M1 has a lot of marks and can be traced to different agencies and countries so it has a documented history from WWII until it return to the US, that is more then can be said for most other Carbines. The same could be said for this Victory Model.

Whoever buys it needs a Bavarian Municipal Police US M-1 carbine to go with it...

U.S. Carbines in Germany and Austria

CMP sold off a bunch of the Bavarian marked M1 Carbines about 20 or so years ago. Most all were on their auction site.

 

[gunbarrel]

CMP sold off a bunch of the Bavarian marked M1 Carbines about 20 or so years ago. Most all were on their auction site.

Yes, I remember. I opted, instead, to buy one of the carbines that the CMP brought back from Italy for $400. A beautidul Inland; still have it. One of my faves.

 

[AJ]

Yes, I remember. I opted, instead, to buy one of the carbines that the CMP brought back from Italy for $400. A beautidul Inland; still have it. One of my faves.

I was a member of the Carbine Club and we got them at $350.00 a piece and were allowed a one time buy of three carbines. I bought three of them. Pays to keep receipts, that was 2/20/2003.

 

[Matt_X]

Would Bavaria Municipal Police be in English? or Kommunali Polizei Bayern?

Follow the link posted earlier to the Carbine Club's Bavarian Carbines pages. U.S. Carbines in Germany and Austria
Then go to the page "Germany's Story" which gets into the USA's post-surrender occupation policies and how they result in the various markings.


Initially the Allies armed the police and security forces, and then IIRC these were 'loaned'. Later the various German and Austrian agencies were supposed to purchase these small arms.