Holy grail pre model 14 ???

[Gun Relics]

And whatever state sales tax…$400 - 600 extra.

Or in California, $1045 extra. We have sales tax of 8% plus 11% excise tax on guns - 19%+ depending on the county. GB is collecting the 8% part and when the gun is transferred the dealer has to collect the excise tax.

I filed for a resell permit but first you need an FFL plus a CA sellers permit. Getting an FFL is easy. Getting a CA dealers license is like climbing Everest. You need zoning clearance, business license, sheriff's clearance, the whole shebang. Once you have all your licenses, you can submit them to Gunbroker and you don't have to pay the sales tax. If you turn around and sell the gun in CA, you have to collect both taxes from the buyer.

 

[A10]

Or in California, $1045 extra. We have sales tax of 8% plus 11% excise tax on guns - 19%+ depending on the county. GB is collecting the 8% part and when the gun is transferred the dealer has to collect the excise tax.

I filed for a resell permit but first you need an FFL plus a CA sellers permit. Getting an FFL is easy. Getting a CA dealers license is like climbing Everest. You need zoning clearance, business license, sheriff's clearance, the whole shebang. Once you have all your licenses, you can submit them to Gunbroker and you don't have to pay the sales tax. If you turn around and sell the gun in CA, you have to collect both taxes from the buyer.

Its nice to see that Californian's rights aren't being infringed...

 

[Engine49guy]

As far as post war 6" K38s
IMO the one liner LERK would be the "Grail Gun".
The wide rib appears late 48/early 49 and is listed in the 1950 AMC.
Bright blue finish standard around 1954-55ish, four screw non Model marked around 1957 then model marking around 1957-58 so while the 5 screw bright blue had a relatively short run the 4 screw non model marked was probably shorter.

If it letters as shipped with the wide TT/TH well ok it lowers the number quite a bit for the guy that collects boxed variants of the K38 but the price is clearly more than 2x what you'd expect.

On a side note when you compare the wider rib K22 it doesn't actually appear to begin shipping until very late 54 to early 55 and so had a much shorter run , I've also never seen one confirmed that was shipoed in factory satin blue.

 

[Gun Relics]

I watched this auction trying to understand what I am looking at and why the value was so high. What am I overlooking?

It is a pretty sharp gun.

GB link below

Just a moment...

Can someone please explain to me, in an idiot proof way, why this gun is unique? I don't understand except they say it's new.

 

[Bullet Bob]

It doesn't matter to me how someone else spends their money. Their business, not mine.

 

[Retired W4]

Or in California, $1045 extra. We have sales tax of 8% plus 11% excise tax on guns - 19%+ depending on the county. GB is collecting the 8% part and when the gun is transferred the dealer has to collect the excise tax.

I filed for a resell permit but first you need an FFL plus a CA sellers permit. Getting an FFL is easy. Getting a CA dealers license is like climbing Everest. You need zoning clearance, business license, sheriff's clearance, the whole shebang. Once you have all your licenses, you can submit them to Gunbroker and you don't have to pay the sales tax. If you turn around and sell the gun in CA, you have to collect both taxes from the buyer.

Good night!! I'm glad I don't live in CA. I lived in Pasadena in the mid 1950s when Dad was going to CalTech but it was a different word back then. My son was stationed in San Diego a while back and he stored his SBRs and silencers with his wife's family in AZ.

The K-38 in question is not unique. A fine example maybe but not 6G's worth, in my opinion.

 

[JP@AK]

four screw non Model marked around 1957

Just to nail this down a bit tighter:

I have owned two K-38s that had only four screws and did not bear a model mark. One shipped in November 1956 and the other in January 1957. The fifth screw was eliminated sometime in 1956 (the order was issued in 1955).

Of those two, the 1956 unit is still in my possession.

 

[boykinlp]

To me, those satin blue/gray pre-BP boxes with the solid border line and factory paper label stuck on over the original box end seem to bring a premium, but not near the exorbitant amount of what this package sold for!
Larry

 

[murphydog]

Can someone please explain to me, in an idiot proof way, why this gun is unique? I don't understand except they say it's new.

All guns are unique - every one is different in some way. In this instance it's the only one with this serial number.

Seriously, it's in super nice condition but sold for far above current market prices. There is no logical explanation for this but that may be all we get, unless the buyer is a Forum member and posts about it.

 

[hkcavalier]

Too true. I've seen a lot of "unique" guns on places like Armslist.com. Y'know, zombie green Mosins with the buttstock cut off, that sort of thing. Unique is the end quality of rarity, not value.

 

[Gun Relics]

All guns are unique - every one is different in some way. In this instance it's the only one with this serial number.

I never thought about that. From now on, all my guns are "ONE OF ONE!".

 

[paplinker]

Well at least now I get that I didn't overlook anything.
I was not trying to knock the auction but when I read one of a kind it threw me. Add on the thought it brought triple of what I expected.

Atlas has some great guns for sale and I have bought from them.

This is the first auction that I feel was embellished to some extent.

 

[arjay]

Just to nail this down a bit tighter:

I have owned two K-38s that had only four screws and did not bear a model mark. One shipped in November 1956 and the other in January 1957. The fifth screw was eliminated sometime in 1956 (the order was issued in 1955).

Of those two, the 1956 unit is still in my possession.

I have 4 screw non model marked # k 319590 which I guessed at '58?

 

[dickydalton]

I have a satin blue Masterpiece from 1949 that was almost new when I bought it about 15 years ago. I've also hardly shot it but now that I dug it out I will.

 

[JP@AK]

I have 4 screw non model marked # k 319590 which I guessed at '58?

Certainly possible. But as you noted, it is only a guess and lots of them shipped out of order during that period.

The closest numbers I have to yours are K318349 and K318968. Both are Combat Magnum units. The former (not model marked) shipped in April 1959 and the latter shipped in August 1958 and is marked as a Model 19 It is NOT the lowest number on a Model 19, however.

 

[bobsguns]

Can someone please explain to me, in an idiot proof way, why this gun is unique? I don't understand except they say it's new.

Not "new", but "unfired". Big difference in meaning.

As mentioned already, it's sell price is way above its value. As mentioned, probably had some insider shills being involved. That's an unfortunate state of affairs in today's auctions, IMO.

As mentioned, this gun isn't "unique" per se, just not common. While that may add to its value, it by no means makes it worth $5K, IMO.

Hopefully, someone will come along & do a better job than I did about this sale.

My .o2

 

[murphydog]

I never thought about that. From now on, all my guns are "ONE OF ONE!".

Yes, "unique for a special reason" would probably be more meaningful.

 

[silicosys4]

Literally 10x what I paid for my K38 Target Masterpiece. Mines not as nice, but it was owned by a General.

 

[Gun Relics]

Literally 10x what I paid for my K38 Target Masterpiece. Mines not as nice, but it was owned by a General.

Dollar General store?

 

[greenwellg]

Wow, makes me soooo happy to know I got one of the last no prefix K22 Masterpieces at a small somewhat local auction for a $525 bid with a 10% buyers premium and state tax at 5% and not even a transfer fee. I did drive 444 miles to the auction and back. Right at $600 total cost. So nice I bought a slightly lesser condition one to shoot. Sadly no box or other accessories, but that's fine with me. It was an estate auction so the accessories were probably discarded.