So sorry Rocketman, Forgot you were the only one allowed to make insinuations.
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Two Firefighters Murdered in Idaho
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Richard Simmons
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Wondering if perhaps the shooter failed out of a fire fighting academy or couldn’t pass some initial requirements and felt slighted from his dream job?
What is troubling to me is that I, along with the Media, seem to be taking these situations as almost a regular occurrence more and more.
I know they are not the norm, but the shock and outrage seems to be getting less and less; somewhat like slowly letting the air out of a balloon.
taz666
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This sort of thing used to happen in 1960-70's Chicago. Make call .. lure in police or fire dept ... light 'em up from your 5th story window.
You're welcome. Too bad the moderator took down his post. I would've rather it been left up so everyone could see what he is.
from BBC article:
"Police sources have identified 20-year-old Wess Roley as the suspect in the sniper attack on firefighters in Idaho, according to the BBC's US partner CBS News...."
...Roley moved from Arizona to Idaho in 2023 to work for his father's tree lopping company, his mother said in a social media post.
"Police sources have identified 20-year-old Wess Roley as the suspect in the sniper attack on firefighters in Idaho, according to the BBC's US partner CBS News...."
...Roley moved from Arizona to Idaho in 2023 to work for his father's tree lopping company, his mother said in a social media post.
In an update shared in October 2024, his mother wrote that he was "doing great living in Idaho."
A third firefighter is fighting for his life, but is in stable condition"
To your point, some time ago, I believe it was in the 1980's, the State Mental Hospitals in this country were shut down, leaving the psychotic individuals to roam the streets. While we don't yet know the shooter's back ground, it seems to me he was one sick...person.
I see the above update which still does not tell us much.
On another forum, there was a thread of members posting pictures of "abandoned" buildings for some reason. Fully 50% were of mental hospitals. One was 5 stories high and a 1/4 mile long. That's a lot of individuals with compromised thought processes. What do we do now? We give them pills and HOPE they take them.
Yes, AND then expect law enforcement to deal with them every day and expect the Sheriffs to house them in the various jails across the country. The media and the left stirred the pot to close the mental hospitals in favor of "community treatment," but there has been crickets about the fallout.
We've had the same problem up here in BC, albeit to a much smaller extent
Let me toss this out for consideration on that subject:
In the late '60s I was taking a high-school psychology class. We took a field trip to a NC mental institution. What I saw there as a teenager haunts me to this day. The smell of stale urine gives me flashbacks to that trip. It is my PTSD.
There was a row of old women strapped into wheelchairs, that purple tincture all over their heads where they had pulled their hair out in huge patches. To prevent that, their arms were tied to the wheelchairs. They sat in their own waste for hours, unattended to by staff members. We passed by a "rubber room" where some guy screamed endlessly. Not yelled--screamed! I've never seen a movie that represented anything close to a mental hospital like I saw. NEVER! One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest was a mere summer vacation in comparison. That is just a couple of examples of what I experienced that day.
Was shutting down all the asylums and turning the patients out onto the streets the answer? Certainly not. That decision lies solely on the shoulders of the do-gooders. But anyone who has never seen the inside of one and readily shouts put them all in mental asylums hardly knows of which they speak. No one, I mean NO ONE deserves that kind of treatment.
Absolutely appalling. The word "bedlam" comes from Bethlehan Hospital in London, which must have been similar. And it ran for centuries.
My eighth grade class took a field trip to Longview Insane and Lunatic Asylum. Longview was the first asylum built in Ohio well over 150 years ago. It was located in the Cincinnati Hartwell/Carthage area.
It was ghastly and terrifying to a 13 year old boy.
I still can't scrub the memory.
It was ghastly and terrifying to a 13 year old boy.
I still can't scrub the memory.
One of the latest reports indicates something similar.
Idaho gunman in deadly ambush of fire crews had 'idolised' firefighters
the last thing I worry about when we roll up to a scene is getting ambushed.
I have my SCBA and bunker gear on, Halligan bar in hand. ready to go,
The AR and body armor/kevlar helmet are still at home. For a different scene.
I have my SCBA and bunker gear on, Halligan bar in hand. ready to go,
The AR and body armor/kevlar helmet are still at home. For a different scene.
There is no doubt that in many cases, the old system of mental asylums was terrible.
But we don't have to repeat those horrors. Returning to that system isn't the only alternative.
We could - and should - implement a much better system to care for these folks whose mental illness makes them incapable of caring for themselves.
The current approach of turning them out on the street to fend for themselves isn't the answer.
We're seeing the fallout of that approach day in and day out in our urban and suburban areas all across the country. IMO, the results are equally horrifying.
BUT, it doesn't have to be an either-or-proposition. We can do better than either extreme end of that spectrum. In a country as rich as ours, we have the means to provide compassionate care for the mentally ill.
We don't have to choose between leaving them to fend for themselves OR putting them into a hellish gulag environment.
We can do better. It just requires that we the people muster the collective will to put the pressure on those in power to do it.
At least that is the way I see it.
But we don't have to repeat those horrors. Returning to that system isn't the only alternative.
We could - and should - implement a much better system to care for these folks whose mental illness makes them incapable of caring for themselves.
The current approach of turning them out on the street to fend for themselves isn't the answer.
We're seeing the fallout of that approach day in and day out in our urban and suburban areas all across the country. IMO, the results are equally horrifying.
BUT, it doesn't have to be an either-or-proposition. We can do better than either extreme end of that spectrum. In a country as rich as ours, we have the means to provide compassionate care for the mentally ill.
We don't have to choose between leaving them to fend for themselves OR putting them into a hellish gulag environment.
We can do better. It just requires that we the people muster the collective will to put the pressure on those in power to do it.
At least that is the way I see it.
It could very well be a home grown terrorists.
