Short Barrel Shotgun

[REParker]

I set up an appointment yesterday with Print Scan to get my EFT digital fingerprints. Got them done today, and already received the file.

Broke down this year after 60+ years of shooting and got a C&R, but I'm jonesing for an SBR and thought you could give me a clue as to cost for the permits and timetable for receipt. TIA. ED

 

[rockquarry]

I was issued a Rem 870 with a 10 inch tube and fold-over steel stock when I was on protective service teams protecting dignitaries and occasional loan to the secret service. We were deployed to harms way and that was a tool of choice replacing the Mp5, and other short guns that are not crowd friendly.

Our only ammo was military grade 00 Buckshot. The qualification course was 18 rounds starting at 25 yards and firing the last round at impact distance, fire one round, take one step fire, takes only a minute or two to run that course, try it, it will beat you up.

If I were building one, it would definitely not be a pump gun, too much need for both hands when you need to be moving and running. Of course nobody really builds one for real combat, just for range play and that one in 400 million chance somebody comes into your bedroom at 4 am, of course, your handgun is more likely for that event.

So, having fired them a bunch, you are not going to fire it, except for range play. Build it as you want. I would not put anything on it, but maybe a laser, they are point and fire, optics a total waste of time. And even at 25 yards, ours had no sights at all, but easy to learn to hit by just pointing the gun. Slugs are fun but basically a waste since the buckshot of all sizes do so well.

I cast my own buckshot at #1, 0, 00, and 000 buck, they are ez and cheap to cast and load and fun on the range. I also cast the Lee 3/4 and 1 ounce slugs, you just drop them in a shot cup and load them like birdshot, nothing to it.

They are short range fun with lots of noise, muzzle blast and recoil you can enjoy. Build it any sixe you want, the 10 inch was.... interesting. We carried ours in an Addidas bag with the ends replaced with leather and held shut by velcro so we could actually stick one hand in the bag and fire one time. Never did it. But had that option.

Enjoy.

Your one in 400 million chance estimate is probably as accurate as anyone else's, but there are likely many obsessing over such a happening and preparing for it anyway...

 

[wood714]

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Could you cut it at the next rib? What length would that give you?

Too much length. That would be in 870 Tac 14 range.

 

[Shrek Of The Arctic]

If I were you, I would keep the barrel at about 14" and add a one shot mag extension. I'm not virulently opposed to vent rib, but I'm spoiled with ghost rings on the work shotgun. Most of us can hit a 1/3 silhouette at 100 yards off hand pretty easily using slugs with that set up. That's how most of our work shotguns are set up, and it's pretty handy. Patrol rig is a single cab Ford truck with a designated rack, like we used to see in all the old cop cars. I've never had issues accessing the gun due to the barrel length. As far as the aesthetic, I think the 14" bbl. is a bit more...versatile, as far as what furniture matches it. If staying with the uber short 11"ish barrel, I think the old school 870 Police dark walnut wood and ribbed "corn cob" style forearm would lend a real nice look. The old Wingmaster stock could be made to work to my perspective with enough sanding and refinishing, but I think I'd prefer an entire new stock set. The ones offered from Boyd's have a real nice forearm, but the cheek is pretty high on mine. Works great with ghost rings, but it'd be awful with a bead sight. I always thought the old top folding stocks had a nice look, though I'm told they're awful to shoot with due to thin sheet metal and cheek contact. I guess vanity has it's price to be paid?

Take pics, and show off whatcha end up with, please! I could never see too many short barrel shotguns.

 

[biku324]

If you have the barrel a tad longer you can put a hand guard behind the end cap and keep your hand from slipping in front of the muzzle. That could smart just as tad.

Precisely why Remington's superb 11-87 shortie has a 14" barrel. 'Glock leg' would be nothing as compared to 'buckshot hand."

^^This is a superior entry-team weapon.

 

[wood714]

What slip on front sight are you referring to? A link would be appreciated.

I have one very similar to this on my 1200 after I cut the barrel to 18"

SIGHT

 

[wood714]

Broke down this year after 60+ years of shooting and got a C&R, but I'm jonesing for an SBR and thought you could give me a clue as to cost for the permits and timetable for receipt. TIA. ED

As of now you still have to pay a $200 tax for each SBR you make.

The last one I did in 2024 was my Colt LE6920 it was approved in 18 days. The fastest was my SP5 that took 10 days.

When I did those I had to mail in 2 sets of FBI blue line fingerprint cards. The eForm 1 I submitted around 0100 last night, I used my digital prints. I'm looking forward to seeing how many days it will take.

 

[Tony Tiger]

Not a shottie but a firearm, legal everywhere mostly. Slugs, buck or shot.

 

[wood714]

I always thought the old top folding stocks had a nice look, though I'm told they're awful to shoot with due to thin sheet metal and cheek contact. I guess vanity has it's price to be paid?

Take pics, and show off whatcha end up with, please! I could never see too many short barrel shotguns.

I have one of the factory Remington LEO marked top folding stocks. There is nothing thin about it.

 

[wood714]

Who ever my dad bought this shotgun from must have done a lot of bird hunting. I found this 5.5" wood plug in the magazine tube.

 

[RichCapeCod]

I have side by sides in 20 and 12, coach guns. ...

The 12 gauge double is not to be sneezed at! Used to be issued to NYPD detective squads back when. When loaded with 00 buck magnum, two pulls of the trigger put 24 projectiles in the air! Sub guns mostly had 30 round mags (yeah, more powerful rounds, but anyway...).

The Steven 311 could be broken down into three compact pieces (barrel, forearm, butt), wrapped in a rolled up newspaper and taken into locations with no one being the wiser. Push the tang safety forward if you want the pellets to go downrange, pull the safety to the rear if you want the pellets to stay in the gun. Confused? Open the action and the safety went on automatically.

Both used this model shotgun as an NYPD detective and instructed detectives in its use when with the Firearms and Tactics Section (sgt and lt).

Wrote a book using my lesson plans used in the Firearms Instructor School I ran. Got to explain the cover S&W J-frame. I won this revolver out of the academy. The date is 1972. I was appointed in October 1969. Didn't go to the Police Academy for a couple of years as I was assigned to police intelligence as a deep undercover upon joining the dept. It's a long story...

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[dvc45acp]

I think it would be cool!!! As an aside, this fellow came up with a method to make stockless guns work really well. He really likes the Mossberg Aftershock. FWIW.

 

[Shrek Of The Arctic]

I have one of the factory Remington LEO marked top folding stocks. There is nothing thin about it.

Noted. I've only handled them. Can't recall ever shooting one. they were phased out decades before I was ever issued an 870. The older officers spoke downright poorly of them. Too long and uncomfortable on the face, if I recall correctly? Perhaps it's a bit of a subjective matter? Still looks pretty thin to me, compared to a common fixed stock. I'd buy one if I stumbled across it, just for looks, and nostalgia if nothing else. Who knows? Maybe it would work out for me...

 

[SixgunFife]

I like the concept, OP, and would opt for muzzle that’s just a bit past the magazine tube endcap as others have mentioned.

 

[BloodyThumb]

If SBS’s are included in the $0 tax after it goes into affect, I have tinkered with the idea of putting a stock on a 12 or 20ga Shockwave. Probably a 20 and probably a youth stock.

 

[TLflag]

Where do you Folks think the short barrel H & R .410 pistol stands in this new ruling ?

 

[jdh]

If I may make a suggestion, you will regret hacking yup that 870, go buy a beat up Express for about $250 and hack it up.

 

[pmanton]

I wanna put a short barrel on my semi auto Tommy Gun.

 

[65Whelen]

Salvaged this Ithica from a barn which was left in a corner to rust. Fortunately the internals cleaned up good. Cut the barrel at 18.1", did a rattle can camo job, custom forearm and added the pistol grip buttstock. Thinking a reddot would be a cool addition.

 

[DHernandez]

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