CCW Reciprocity in Washington DC!!! I hope so!!!

[DeafSmith]

Plus there's the whole "trampling of civil liberties" and "using federal law enforcement for low-level municipal policing tasks" and burning political capital…might play well to the base, but it's building towards a Kent State moment and there's zero ambiguity as to who will be accountable in the public's eyes when a Federal LEO or service member makes a mistake and shoots an American citizen for some "reason".

I've said it before and I'll say it again. All actions have consequences. Sometimes those are long-delayed, but ultimately, they ALWAYS manifest themselves. Sometimes on those who took the actions, sometimes on those fellow travelers, but they ALWAYS manifest themselves.

Personally, I'm a bit troubled by the precedent that a President or even the Federal government as a whole can mobilize specific law-enforcement and military forces to combat vaguely-described "crime"…what's to stop a future President from doing exactly that to "control crime" and simply defining the "crime" as a failure to turn in weapons?

No "trampling of civil liberties" has been shown.. now they even let residents have rifles and shotguns to legally carry!!!! Try what with the Democrat ran D.C.

And rape, robbery, murder, etc.. is not "vaguely-described 'crime'"... it is people being killed in the streets, people being mugged, people being robbed..

 

[biku324]

Just like the gangsters in the 1930s.. it will take time to eliminate them. Force them to leave and those that don't leave get locked up. Crime will not cease in 'X' number of days... but it will go down and down over time. And during that time the D.C. police will reorganize and get stronger.. THEN they can take over.

Gangsters in the 1930s never went away. Their primary livelihood, bootlegging, went away when Prohibition was repealed. The Five Families in NYC and organized crime throughout the country simply moved to gambling, first 'numbers' or today's government-run lotteries, narcotics, prostitution, extortion rackets, and other many other endeavors, including many that continue today.

The military is not trained for daily policing in large cities, not patrol, not investigations. This wasreful, dangerous practice ended badly after the Civil War (when the posse comitatus act was passed) and will end badly again if continued on a larger scale.

 

[DeafSmith]

Gangsters in the 1930s never went away. Their primary livelihood, bootlegging, went away when Prohibition was repealed. The Five Families in NYC and organized crime throughout the country simply moved to gambling, first 'numbers' or today's government-run lotteries, narcotics, prostitution, extortion rackets, and other many other endeavors, including many that continue today.

The military is not trained for daily policing in large cities, not patrol, not investigations. This wasreful, dangerous practice ended badly after the Civil War (when the posse comitatus act was passed) and will end badly again if continued on a larger scale.

Prohibition was repealed on December 5, 1933.. John Dillinger was killed/apprehended July 22, 1934. Baby Face Nelson was killed Nov. 27, 1934. As were a bunch of them (the violent gangsters.) By 1935, the FBI reported that most of the era's most famous outlaws were dead or captured... i.e. after Prohibition was repealed. They are after the gangs that are doing so much violent crime.

Also the National Guard IS being trained for patrol.. while the D.C. police do investigations.

 

[Bald1]

No State has reciprocity with DC? PLEASE provide me this information
DC only recognizes its concealed carry permits.

You also have an over simplistic unreasonable theory on the causes of crime.

If it was so simple as just sending in manpower and the problem disappears don't you think that would have been done years ago?

Now, in authoritarian countries that does work a little better. Take a peak at Russia, Iran, China, etc... and you will see lower numbers. But even there not eliminated. And I don't believe I want to live that way.

Causes of crime are rooted in many aspects.

Don't look now but your 3rd paragraph is happening.

 

[Dick Winningstad]

Oh yea....

Trump Says He's a Second Amendment Person, Favors Concealed Carry Permit Reciprocity in Washington, DC

Trump Says He’s a Second Amendment Person, Favors Concealed Carry Permit Reciprocity in Washington, DC

They have [concealed carry reciprocity] in some states and I feel strongly about it. As you know, I’m in favor of it. People have to protect themselves. I’m a Second Amendment person. Very simple.

www.shootingnewsweekly.com

It would be a good thing, but with so many federal buildings around about half the city would be off limits to you.

 

[biku324]

Prohibition was repealed on December 5, 1933.. John Dillinger was killed/apprehended July 22, 1934. Baby Face Nelson was killed Nov. 27, 1934. As were a bunch of them (the violent gangsters.) By 1935, the FBI reported that most of the era's most famous outlaws were dead or captured... i.e. after Prohibition was repealed. They are after the gangs that are doing so much violent crime.

Also the National Guard IS being trained for patrol.. while the D.C. police do investigations.

That's cherry-picking. The problem of very violent organized crime continued and continues. https://fortynews.com/news/2024/9/2...zed-Crime:-Key-Arrests-and-Leadership-Changes

Training soldiers for police patrol is like training electricians to repair tires. You can do it, but it's stupid and wasteful. And they'll still have no experience.

 

[326MOD10]

Don't look now but your 3rd paragraph is happening.

It is the 4th paragraph that worries me that is happening. And I could make some very compelling arguments as to what is taking place over a broad spectrum of things and compare it to history of the places listed.

Of course I would have to do it quickly as history is being changed.

But, the point is once the occupying force leaves, and eventually it will, the crime is still there and will return in mass. And that is even in instances of the occupying force being police saturation patrols.

You have to solve the whole problem not just put lipstick on a pig.

 

[326MOD10]

And to the points made by biku324 on the training and differences between street patrol officers and investigators or NG doing patrol work I just read an article where a federal agent made an arrest and seized two handguns.

The judge chastised the prosecution over the illegality of the stop and search. Pierro even had the case dropped "in the interest of justice"

So how is that cleaning up anything as that guy is back on the street and has a case for a 4th Amendment violation lawsuit.

I have a good friend who has bought dope her entire career doing UC work. Very good at it and knows drug cases. She is the first to say she does not know street work and doesn't feel comfortable doing it.

I view it just the opposite. Did street work my career and could never feel comfortable buying dope from a cartel member.

It isn't one size fits all.

 

[raljr1]

It's something along the line of a liberal is a conservative who hasn't been mugged yet.

Well, dammit, let's mug a few of them so they see the light. (Not serious about this.)

Seriously, the challenge of crime in our society is, in fact, an issue tied directly to societal norms that are accepted in significant measure by the very segment of society that suffers the most from it.,