Another LEOSA qualification…

[S-W4EVER]

I don't travel much anymore so my CPL covers me.

 

[Dogmann]

What is this reform wording on 218???

FYI - The current LEOSA Reform legislation has passed the House of Representatives and is currently in the Senate as S.679. Seems the senate isn't moving very fast. Might be appropriate to contact your senators and express your support for them getting it passed before the end of the calendar year.

 

[9Mary7]

What is this reform wording on 218???

You can look it up.... S. 679/H.R. 2243: LEOSA Reform Act

https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/2243

 

[9Mary7]

Major points are: Qualifications no longer annually- could stretch out to 36 months. Could be qualified by any certified firearms trainer in your state of residence. Would be able to carry in locations currently banned including school zones, churches and parks. Just a couple......there's a bit more including standard capacity mags extended to RLEO's.

 

[moosedog]

My LEOSA qualifications are coming up in October or November, hope not during deer season.

 

[Recargador]

FYI - The current LEOSA Reform legislation has passed the House of Representatives and is currently in the Senate as S.679. Seems the senate isn't moving very fast. Might be appropriate to contact your senators and express your support for them getting it passed before the end of the calendar year.

The Senate is back in session. Will Thune do anything? We need 60+ votes. The author of LEOSA Reform is Congresscritter Son Bacon of NE. He's been successful at getting it passed in the last 3 Congresses. He recently announced he's not running for reelection.
It's do or die to get this passed and signed into law.

 

[John_M52]

I'm retiring and will be a 3 hour flight from my PD. But I will have to drive through enemy territory on a regular basis once retired so this is important to me.

 

[Shibadog]

I'm assuming we are talking about HR 218 qualification. So in many states, a civilian can walk into a gun store, buy a gun, and immediately start carrying it; no testing or weapon qualification is required. In other states, a civilian can buy a gun, go to the county Sheriff's office, fill out an application, pay some money, and then receive a CCW license with no testing or weapon qualification required. But retired, and thoroughly experienced LE Officers, who have carried and qualified with a firearm all of their lives, are required by HR 218 to qualify each year. This makes no sense.

Got to agree. I suspect a good % of former LEO's can outshoot a good number of "active duty" types.

 

[CH4]

Two weeks ago I renewed my LEOSA here in Nevada. Using a revolver or auto qualifies the retiree to carry a "handgun"

Course of Fire untimed

6 rds 3 yds
12 rds 5 yds
12 rds 7 yds

Hope the LEOSA Improvement Act 2025 passes, but it looks stalled in the senate. It would do several things, including increasing the qualification interval to 3 years.

 

[Warrior199]

I havent looked today, but the last version of the LEOSA update allowed the states to increase the qualification time from 12 months to 36 months. Not automatic upon passage. And a technical reminder. As a retiree you can always qualify with the agency you retired from, or with a licensed firearms instructor to the state standard of your state of residence. Some states have a strict single standard, some have a few choices and some have a state standard and also allow each agency to have their own. You have to do a bit of research about your state's rules. No longer in Ohio, but Ohio has reduced the state standard to 25 rounds with a twist, you can lose points for totally missing the target. At the same time they have an off duty standard of 8 rounds, and some instructors figure retirees are off duty, so thats all they have to do. There is also some dispute with respect to type of gun. No serial number is required by LEOSA but appears to require type. So qualify one auto and one revolver and be covered. Your mileage of course, and your states interpretations, may vary. Until the new amendments pass, if you only go to reciprocity states, your CCW is fine. Once they pass, if it matters to you, LEOSA will give you a bit more protection due to the school zone, etc. rules. But do read your state laws and rules as they are all over the map.

 

[robertrwalsh]

CA is surprisingly quite liberal about this issue. If I qualify with my old agency (CDC) I have to shoot a standard department course, either 36 rounds or 50 rounds, no kneeling or barricade or one hand. 3 yrds, 7 yds, 15 yrds. However, I can, if I wish, qualify with other ranges and the qualification is whatever the person signing the cert card wishes it to be. I still have a valid rangemaster certification and there is nothing that says I could not sign my own card, though I don't do that. My luck something would happen and it would bite me on the butt.

 

[CH4]

CA is surprisingly quite liberal about this issue. If I qualify with my old agency (CDC) I have to shoot a standard department course, either 36 rounds or 50 rounds, no kneeling or barricade or one hand. 3 yrds, 7 yds, 15 yrds. However, I can, if I wish, qualify with other ranges and the qualification is whatever the person signing the cert card wishes it to be. I still have a valid rangemaster certification and there is nothing that says I could not sign my own card, though I don't do that. My luck something would happen and it would bite me on the butt.

Nevada's LEOSA course of fire is the same as that for CCW qualification. So simple a blind caveman could pass.

 

[Bald1]

I think it is ridiculous that a retired cop should even have to do this. But perhaps this could be the model for national reciprocity.

 

[Riposte1]

Must be nice to have a separate off duty and backup gun course of fire. In NC its the same for a duty weapon or a 2 inch barrel Seecamp. There was an effort to drop the 25 yard stage last year. It died an ugly death due to a few people who want to show how great they are at shooting.

Not a LEOSA issue but when I ran quals for our SO for 30 years, I required everyone who carried a BUG to qualify with it on the same course as the regular sidearm. Problems don't get easier just because you are carrying a dinky gun - in fact they may get harder

We had one Deputy, a good friend, who's J-frame scores were a point or two better than his 1911 scores! He still shot expert with both though.

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[Riposte1]

Nevada's LEOSA course of fire is the same as that for CCW qualification. So simple a blind caveman could pass.

Ours too. In fact I and another instructor may have held the first CCDW class in KY back in '96 - we had a legally blind guy pass (actually he passed with flying colors - with only one point down!). He shot a 3rd Issue 2" Detective special...still remember him after all these years.

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