In no-carry places much of the time

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Question from new CCW licensee: There are so many places you can't carry. I work at a university, we take the kids to school, go to school events, almost every restaurant serves alcohol, etc. All no-carry places in our state.

Is it on and off and on and off with the firearm all day? How do you approach this?
 
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Paddle holster or pocket carry, also carry purse for women.

Depending, you may need secure vehicle storage. If parking lots are a problem, you may have to leave it at home.

Schools are true PITA unarmed victim zones in many states.
 
Pain In The Ass.
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OWB, be sure to get a small cable-to-the-car-seatframe lockbox (available all over the 'net - Google "Center of Mass safe" - and in several catalogs such as Sportsmans Guide for $35) to secure your gun when you leave it in the car. There are a LOT of gun thefts from vehicles.
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Unless OHIO is a lot different than WA the Laws about having firearms at schools uses the within 1,000 feet Rule. At least, here that includes all school property so if you work at a University and take the kids to school then you might just as well leave you guns at home.

OR get a new job and Home School your kids!!!
 
Mike, unless Ohio or Washington has a state 1000-foot law, the Federal "Gun Free School Zone" law is inapplicable if you have a CHL, by the express language of the federal statute. Here in Texas, since non-licensed vehicular carry became fully legal in 2007, lots of folks have said that they'd pass on getting a CHL. The federal 1000-foot law is a HUGE reason not to rely on that, and to get a CHL, which makes one exempt under the federal statute.
 
Interesting that you should bring that up, John. Look at (q)(2)(B)(ii). It appears that the license in question is one to possess, not to carry.


18 U.S.C. § 922 (q) (1) The Congress finds and declares that--
(A) crime, particularly crime involving drugs and guns, is a pervasive, nationwide problem;
(B) crime at the local level is exacerbated by the interstate movement of drugs, guns, and criminal gangs;
(C) firearms and ammunition move easily in interstate commerce and have been found in increasing numbers in and around schools, as documented in numerous hearings in both the Committee on the Judiciary of the House of Representatives and the Committee on the Judiciary of the Senate;
(D) in fact, even before the sale of a firearm, the gun, its component parts, ammunition, and the raw materials from which they are made have considerably moved in interstate commerce;
(E) while criminals freely move from State to State, ordinary citizens and foreign visitors may fear to travel to or through certain parts of the country due to concern about violent crime and gun violence, and parents may decline to send their children to school for the same reason;
(F) the occurrence of violent crime in school zones has resulted in a decline in the quality of education in our country;
(G) this decline in the quality of education has an adverse impact on interstate commerce and the foreign commerce of the United States;
(H) States, localities, and school systems find it almost impossible to handle gun-related crime by themselves--even States, localities, and school systems that have made strong efforts to prevent, detect, and punish gun-related crime find their efforts unavailing due in part to the failure or inability of other States or localities to take strong measures; and
(I) the Congress has the power, under the interstate commerce clause and other provisions of the Constitution, to enact measures to ensure the integrity and safety of the Nation's schools by enactment of this subsection.
(2) (A) It shall be unlawful for any individual knowingly to possess a firearm that has moved in or that otherwise affects interstate or foreign commerce at a place that the individual knows, or has reasonable cause to believe, is a school zone.
(B) Subparagraph (A) does not apply to the possession of a firearm--
(i) on private property not part of school grounds;
(ii) if the individual possessing the firearm is licensed to do so by the State in which the school zone is located or a political subdivision of the State, and the law of the State or political subdivision requires that, before an individual obtains such a license, the law enforcement authorities of the State or political subdivision verify that the individual is qualified under law to receive the license; [922(q)(2)(B)(ii)] [NB -license to possess, not to carry]
(iii) that is--
(I) not loaded; and
(II) in a locked container, or a locked firearms rack that is on a motor vehicle;
(iv) by an individual for use in a program approved by a school in the school zone;
(v) by an individual in accordance with a contract entered into between a school in the school zone and the individual or an employer of the individual;
(vi) by a law enforcement officer acting in his or her official capacity; or
(vii) that is unloaded and is possessed by an individual while traversing school premises for the purpose of gaining access to public or private lands open to hunting, if the entry on school premises is authorized by school authorities.
(3) (A) Except as provided in subparagraph (B), it shall be unlawful for any person, knowingly or with reckless disregard for the safety of another, to discharge or attempt to discharge a firearm that has moved in or that otherwise affects interstate or foreign commerce at a place that the person knows is a school zone.
(B) Subparagraph (A) does not apply to the discharge of a firearm--
(i) on private property not part of school grounds;
(ii) as part of a program approved by a school in the school zone, by an individual who is participating in the program;
(iii) by an individual in accordance with a contract entered into between a school in a school zone and the individual or an employer of the individual; or
(iv) by a law enforcement officer acting in his or her official capacity.
(4) Nothing in this subsection shall be construed as preempting or preventing a State or local government from enacting a statute establishing gun free school zones as provided in this subsection.
 
WA does have the 1,000 foot Rule and they do enforce it. Whenever they can catch someone; which ain't often!!!
 
When I have to disarm a lot, I carry my 2" Model 36 in a Desantis Nemesis pocket holster. I just put holster and all in the glove box and lock it. I always try to put the gun in the glove box before I depart for my destination. That way nobody ever sees me leave a gun unattended. Ohio's an open carry state, so it doesn't matter if anybody sees the gun while I'm disarming or rearming.
 
I must agree with GatorFarmer. Strange as all of the mass shootings happen where guns are forbidden to everyone but criminals. Another way to put it, is worry about what to say after you have defended your loved ones.
 
Originally posted by Erich:
Interesting that you should bring that up, John. Look at (q)(2)(B)(ii). It appears that the license in question is one to possess
BATFE interprets it to mean any permit, basically, or at least they did. I spoke at a firearms law seminar in Dallas a couple of years ago. One of the attendees was a BATF lawyer from the Dallas office, who, interestingly enough, has a CHL and seemed to like concealed handgun statutes in principle. I spoke with him at some length about this provision. He viewed it as black and white, despite the "possess" language; i.e., either you have a carry permit and you are exempt, or you don't, and you by god better have the gun unloaded and in a locked compartment, or you are a Violator. Now, given the history about which we know, other offices of BATFE might interpret differently, but this fellow told me it was nationwide policy, at least at that time. If you look at some of the rest of the language, it is a little broader than just "license to possess," and I think that is why they interpret it generously. Besides, the phrase "possessing the firearm" refers to possession at the time one is within the magical 1000 foot zone, the way I read the statute.
 
If a person is willing to keep removing the gun they believe is essential to protecting their life and that of their family, it would appear that they're not really all that committed to the notion of self defense.


IMHO, a right to carry (whether licensed or not) isn't much of a right if you let anyone who feels like it take it away by posting a sign.


If you accept the terms of a carry license and it has exclusionary provisions, then you're bound by those exclusions. It just sort of defeats the purpose of carry for self defense.


What would be the point of carrying a self defense weapon, only to have your child kidnapped in front of you outside his school, while your gun sat locked in the trunk?
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my question is always... "Do they have metal detectors?" It's that simple. That's the only way anyone should know about what you have.

IMHO, the only time anyone would know, is if I actually used it. And, if that were the case, I would be thankful to be alive regardless of the laws. Just google "Suzanna Hupp", and she will explain it to ya.
 
Originally posted by Pinger4186:
my question is always... "Do they have metal detectors?" It's that simple. That's the only way anyone should know about what you have.

IMHO, the only time anyone would know, is if I actually used it. And, if that were the case, I would be thankful to be alive regardless of the laws.

While I do not encourage anyone to break the law, I am in agreement with Pinger and GatorFarmer.

No one should know if you are carrying. That is the purpose of "concealed." How is anyone to know if you are armed at church, the corner steak house or the softball game if you are carrying "concealed?"

Keep it to yourself and decide what's best for you...
 
Originally posted by Pasifikawv:
While I do not encourage anyone to break the law, I am in agreement with Pinger and GatorFarmer.

+1 and I'll add "Be sure to know the law"

While a sympathize with another posters comments about taking a concealed carry piece on and off, each of us must weigh the choice between consequences of being outted vs consequences of not being armed and decide what is right for us. It's not a simple matter of commitment. In an ideal world, no one would ever realize we were carrying. Then again, in an ideal world, there would be no bad guys and we would never need to carry. By definition, in choosing to carry a weapon for defense, we plan for the unusual.
 
Anyone pat you down or run you through a metal detector? No? Then keep your mouth shut and do what you decide is best for you.
The ol' "take the law in your own hands","do as you please...". Why not let my brother CC, he's not licensed? "Concealed means concealed". Gee, I'll CC at the bar, I'm concealed, who's to know!
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A privilege, not a right, gone haywire....
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One of the first places I encountered with my permit was a movie theater with a "no firearms" sign. Being new to CC, I returned my bersa .380 (which I have since traded in for a S&W 642) to the car and locked it in the glove box. I have to say.. while I won't carry on school property or in a federal building, the next time I go to the movies, I will most likely keep my Smith on me.
 
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