Can anyone point me in the right direction for a gunsmith who will disable the IL in my S&W 22-4. I have called a few and they all said they would not do it. I don't have the tools and I want it done right. Also want an action job and a new front sight w/ sight in. Thanks in advance
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Can anyone point me in the right direction for a gunsmith who will disable the IL in my S&W 22-4. I have called a few and they all said they would not do it. I don't have the tools and I want it done right. Also want an action job and a new front sight w/ sight in. Thanks in advance
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The only tools needed are your fingers, a screwdriver to remove the side plate, and the knowledge to remove and reinstall the hammer.
Once the hammer is out, the lock arm (aka flag) and the lock arm spring can be removed and stored away.
Once the hammer is out, the lock arm (aka flag) and the lock arm spring can be removed and stored away.
May be tough to find a gunsmith willing to do this job due to liability concerns. There are directions on this board that are sufficiently detailed to lead you through the process. You don't need a lot of tools. If you simply want to delete the lock, all you need is a proper size hollow ground screwdriver. If you want to disable and reinstall, then you will need to add a file to your tool inventory. All told, probably less than $10 worth of investment. A gunsmith won't take your sideplate off for $10
I have two guns with the dreaded lock, as well as several without. I'd prefer the lock not be there, but I haven't had any problems with the locks and don't presently feel compelled to remove or disable them. Neither is a gun I will likely ever sell or trade, but in a few years I will be gone and when my wife decides she wants to sell them, I don't want the locks to be an issue that could come back to bite her.
I have two guns with the dreaded lock, as well as several without. I'd prefer the lock not be there, but I haven't had any problems with the locks and don't presently feel compelled to remove or disable them. Neither is a gun I will likely ever sell or trade, but in a few years I will be gone and when my wife decides she wants to sell them, I don't want the locks to be an issue that could come back to bite her.
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I was going to have the IL on my 640 disabled but a Police Officer friend of mine said that being I use it as one of my carry guns and if I God forbid had to use it the bleeding heart liberals would have a field day with how I intentionally removed or disabled a manufacturer installed safety device.Being it is the second generation that doesn't have the bad record for internal lock failure I figure I will just leave it be........God Bless...Mike
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Please think.
Do you walk around with the lock engaged when you carry your gun?
Your police officer friend is clueless and the last person to ask about trial advice.
+1 Wyatt Earp
You shoot someone your problem is justification not whether the gun is factory spec. If that were the case there would be alot of cops in trouble for having those trigger jobs.
You have a terd in your bedroom in the middle of the night, you wont think twice about it, just as long as it goes bang bang.
You shoot someone your problem is justification not whether the gun is factory spec. If that were the case there would be alot of cops in trouble for having those trigger jobs.
You have a terd in your bedroom in the middle of the night, you wont think twice about it, just as long as it goes bang bang.
Nanook 450
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My gunsmith did all my lock stud filing for $10 per gun . . . If you use a dremel, cool down the metal in water every few seconds so it does not loose its temper. Smith & Wesson's warranty is still valid after defeating the lock, and to hell with lawyers, there are too many incidences of internal lock failure to have the lock factory spec.
As a 31 year police vet I agree that the lock is not an issue. If you have to use the gun it's going to be justified or not. Don't matter if it has a lock, what caliber, ammo type, rubber grips, pink underwear, etc , etc.
The damn lawyers and media have people paranoid.
The damn lawyers and media have people paranoid.
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I must respectfully disagree with Wyatt on this one. I've been involved in cases where safety devices were removed from firearms that were used for self defense. There are trial lawyers who make a living with this kind of stuff. They will convince a jury that the removal of a safety device demonstrates careless, callous disregard for safety and by extension, human life.
It doesn't have to make sense, or be true. All they have to do is convince someone who isn't bright enough to get out of jury duty. Unless you have an attorney on your side who has experience in firearms cases, and knows how to argue the technicalities of the internal workings of firearms, you stand to lose. I've seen it happen.
Match10
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It is a storage lock, not an operational safety. Defeating it has no consequence, just like that stupid Master Lock POS packaged with a new firearm is tossed. I rarely store my S&W, as it is loaded and operational as intended for self defense.If it is in storage, it's one of my locked gunsafes.
Yes, Your Honor and members of the jury. I load hollow point +P ammunition. When I shoot someone, I intend to to harm and incapacitate them, and for me to survive the encounter.
Yes, Your Honor and members of the jury. I load hollow point +P ammunition. When I shoot someone, I intend to to harm and incapacitate them, and for me to survive the encounter.
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1) I have a very good lawyer.
2) It's not a safety. It's a storage lock. It is disengaged every time you carry the handgun.
3) There's over 100 years of history behind lock less S&Ws.
4) Ruger DA revolvers don't have them.
5) I lose no sleep over this.
Anyone that can share a specific case reference
that I can look up where a burglar or robber sued and won because of a safety devise or alteration on a weapon was made that made the justification of shooting bad please post.
I would also be interested in reading a case where the justification of a shooting was lost due to using reloads.
Any help would be appreciated because as far as I have found this is all urban legend.
that I can look up where a burglar or robber sued and won because of a safety devise or alteration on a weapon was made that made the justification of shooting bad please post.
I would also be interested in reading a case where the justification of a shooting was lost due to using reloads.
Any help would be appreciated because as far as I have found this is all urban legend.
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Since Ohio does not allow those injured or killed in the commission of a crime to recover damages, I have even less reason to care about who thinks my disabled STORAGE lock makes my gun more "dangerous".
Magnumdood
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Very nice point, very nice.
iflyem1
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I'm in law enforcement and would not give you that advise. remove the Lock. No consequence. Like has been said it's a Lock, Not a safety. Protect yourself first. "When seconds count,, the police are only minutes away"
cjtraining
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If a situation requires the use of deadly force to protect one's life or that of a family member or a third party, the law does not require a firearm be used. A sharp stick or most anything else can be used.
blueknight7
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Firehouse hit it right on the head. "Its a lock, not a safety". But, after well over 30 years of looking at this, on a federal, state, and county basis, I have learned never to predict what happens in any court.
Alot of times, court is when the total ignorance of the human race really comes to light. My opinion, and everyone has one, take that thing outa there. Its sure not in my 329PD, and if it has to be used against a human target, I understand the responsibility, and I accept it.
Alot of times, court is when the total ignorance of the human race really comes to light. My opinion, and everyone has one, take that thing outa there. Its sure not in my 329PD, and if it has to be used against a human target, I understand the responsibility, and I accept it.
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While serving on a grand jury during a break I asked a prosecuting attorney about the use of reloaded ammo in a justifiable homicide. He said in a premeditated situation it could be important but couldn't see it have any effect in justifiable self-defense. He was unaware of reloaded ammunition ever being an issue a murder trial. I'm in your camp and believe most of it is loose internet chatter and urban legends.
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