You know what ain't fair? GOUT, that's what!

I too have suffered with the Gout and here's a little limrick I've posted before in that regard:
'Twas a gouty young man so they say,
who's toe pained him in a horrible way.
With the cause traced to beer, his solution was clear;
he cut off his big toe the next day!
 
I too have suffered with the Gout and here's a little limrick I've posted before in that regard:
'Twas a gouty young man so they say,
who's toe pained him in a horrible way.
With the cause traced to beer, his solution was clear;
he cut off his big toe the next day!

Must have been a true Irishman!
 
I know guys that have had the gout and I know it's painful BUT I also have a funny gout story. I got hurt at work one day and was waiting my turn in the E.R and there was a black guy moaning in a wheelchair like he was dieing. Someone asked him what was wrong and he replied "quote" " I gots the gout!" Then while his girlfriend pushed him in his wheelchair his "gout foot" blasted into a wall. So you can imagine that episode. It had to be as painfull as hell but it was as funny as a comedy skit!
I hope his foot is better.
 
Many years ago I was takeing my lunch break in the carpenter shop at work. A guy was moaning about the gout in his big toe. Another carpenter was walking past with a hammer in his hand and as a joke made a swing with it at his foot. The hurting guy by scared reaction kicked his foot right into the swing! It was something to behold!
 
If someone did that to me while having a gout episode, I would hammer his gonads to a wall with a dull, rusty nail!!! I forgot to mention that I lost a good deal of weight and stopped eating so much flesh and don't drink anymore. The gout went away and hasn't bothered me in about 5 years...thank God! The side effects of the change in diet have been lower cholesterol, reduced/normal blood pressure, reduced weight and generally feeling better. My father had bad episodes of gout. I suppose I got the genes for that from him.
 
Modern Treatments for Gout

I'm medical and also have suffered from gout. Gout is caused when uric acid, always present in the blood, reaches too high a concentration and precipitates out of solution in crystal form and accumulates in the joints. Like little grains of sand. Ouch!

The old treatment was a combination of indomethacin and cholchicine. Indomethacin is a powerful non-steroidal anti-inflammatory, in the same class as ibuprofen (Advil). Colchicine is derived from the autumn-blooming crocus and has been known as a treatment for gout for two thousand years. Colchicine inhibits uric acid (urate) crystal deposition, which is enhanced by a low pH in the tissues, probably by inhibiting oxidation of glucose and subsequent lactic acid production in white blood cells. The inhibition of uric acid crystal formation is a vital aspect on the mechanism of gout treatment. However, colchicine is mildly toxic, and that is why doctors typically recommend that patients take indomethacin to relieve the inflammation (for most people it takes the "edge" off) while the colchicine works to prevent the deposition of more uric acid crystals. Also, doctors typically will tell the patient to take the colchicine until one of two things happens: the gout subsides, or, the patient is stricken with diarrhea.

Some physicians will prescribe indomethacin alone, and this works (at least it did for me) to stop acute attacks.

One approach -- very painful, but briefly so -- is the direct injection of a steroid by needle -- into the affected joint. This works very quickly -- in a few minutes -- to totally relieve pain, but be sure to ask the doctor for a soft cast .45 Colt 255 grain bullet to bite on before he sticks you. You will be glad you did, and the doctor won't be so likely to hear the string of cuss words that will try to come out of your mouth when he jabs you.

The problem with these treatment approaches is that they are reactive, and that patients almost always suffer recurrences.

The better approach is to prevent the attack in the first place.

The drug most commonly prescribed to prevent gout is allopurinal, which acts by inhibiting the production of uric acid, but there are others, including probenecid, which acts by preventing the reabsorption of uric acid in the body and causing its greater excretion, and hence leads to a lowering of uric acid levels in the blood.

Under development and now in Phase III clinical trials (final pre-marketing phase) is a drug called pegloticase, which will dissolve uric acid crystals safely.

Diet makes a difference since uric acid production is related to the level of purines in the blood, and protein, fat, and alcohol all contribute to elevated purine levels. However, I have never heard of anyone whose gout was controlled by diet alone.

Personally, I have found that 800 mg. of Advil (4 gel caps) taken every day, seems to prevent attacks. I take this dose (which is the dose they will give you in the hospital and can be repeated every 8 hours; the over the counter stuff is only 200 mg. per capsule) every day to control my mild osteoarthritis, and it seems to have the effect of preventing further bouts with the gout. However, this is non-scientific evidence, some people cannot tolerate this dose, and I am not recommending it to anyone. Your treatment should be decided in consultation with your physician, not some guy on the internet.

By the way, do not -- never -- take aspirin for pain control with gout. It will increase acidity and make the condition worse. if you have trouble with indomethacin or ibuprofen, talk with your doctor. There are other non-steroidal anti-inflammatories available, and one of those may be right for you.

I hope this helps.


Bullseye
 
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By the way, do not -- never -- take aspirin for pain control with gout. It will increase acidity and make the condition worse.

My brother-in-law, who suffers from periodic gout, had a stent put in, and then was put on the 81 mg aspirin program. Guess who went right into a gout episode? :(
 
Barb, you are an angel for working with older people. You have my blessings.

I have Rheumatoid Arthritis. I know pain personally, we are constant companions. Gout is terrible pain, but at least it is only one or two places. Both of my hands and feet are deformed. All of my major joints, and most of the smaller ones, are affected. Every facet of life is affected.

If Gout is preventable, by all means do what you have to, to prevent it. RA has it's own time table, when 'Uncle Arther' comes to town, be ready for a rocky visit.
 
Bullseye and others, thanks for the effort you have taken to explain gout. I am earmarking this and appricate it! I havent got hit for close to a year and the last few bouts have been less sevier, but I have put up with it for close to 25 years off and on! I really dont take medication except when I get it. And maybe not then, if the prescription ran out. The real hurt was years ago in the first attacks, I seem to be able to live with it now that I am retired and not walking on the job. The same for kidney stones, first one I almost wanted to die! I had several after that and bulled it through. My dad many years ago experianced the same, and would just "Bull" through the stones after the 1st time. He said he went through it close to 10 times!
 
I've been dealing with Gout attacks off and on for about six years now. I'm 59, 6'3", 270 lbs. I know my weight is a contributing factor. Add to that, stress and not enough sleep can add to bringing on attacks. Too much processed foods, fast foods, TV dinners don't help either.

One thing I found out will help prevent Gout, or lessen the severity is drinking cherry juice. I'm talking about real 100% cherry juice. It's not cheap, but it's a small price to pay. Eating fresh cherries helps too! Drink a lot of water too. I also keep a bottle of Indocin on hand and as soon as I feel a Gout attack coming on I start taking them for a few days. It can help in making it less painful.

One time I had it in my ankle, instead of my big toe. It was so bad the doctor recommended he drain it to relieve the pressure. I knew it would hurt, but I was so desperate for relief that I agreed. Doctors always say "this won't hurt". But this time he warned me over and over that I should be prepared because it was going to hurt more than I could ever imagine! He had me lay on the exam table and told me to hold on to the side rails tight. When he stuck that needle in it hurt SO BAD that my reaction actually bent one of the hand rails! One time I was tempted to shoot my foot so I might feel a lesser form of pain! That's how bad it hurts!
 
Not exactly the gout, but arthriteous in the knee, memorial day I had to take my wife in for treatment. They also almost killed her tapping fluid out behind the knee cap. Then they injected steroids. She got vilantly sick from some reaction and couldnt get away from the bathroom for a good week. Sometimes the cure is worse than the cause!
 
A 2003 study by Jacob et al. (J Nutr. 2003 Jun;133(6):1826-9) demonstrated that sweet black Bing cherries do cause a significant reduction in serum (blood) uric acid levels probably because compounds in the cherries inhibit the pathways that lead to inflammation. However, it took 10 ounces of pitted cherries to get a statistically significant effect. This doesn't mean you should not try this, but if you use cherries (or pure black sweet Bing cherry juice) just be ready to make sure that you are consuming enough of it daily to have the desired effect.

Also, there is some reasonably credible anecdotal evidence that Damson plums have the same preventative effect, but no scientific studies have been done of which I am aware.

Just remember, while there is some good evidence that Bing cherries can lower uric acid levels in the blood, there are no studies that prove a significant effect in actually preventing gout attacks. And, it is clear that once an attack is underway, cherry juice is probably not going to do you much immediate good.

The current thinking in most progressive medical institutions is to use these complementary and alternative treatments side-by-side with conventional medical treatments. This certainly makes good sense, as it is likely that if the complementary approach has an effect, even a weak to moderate effect, then, it may reduce the severity of symptoms or the length of the episode or both, in combination with standard medical treatment.

Ask your doctor about this. Most are willing to try something new if there is good scientific evidence to back up what you are requesting, and in any event, you do not need an Rx to buy Bing cherries or cherry juice.



Bullseye
 
i got my first flare up at 25 eating lots of red meat and beer and other bad foods did it my doc says. also organ meat and asparugus is high in purines. also some stress can bring it on.

the purines crystalize in your blood and for some reason settle in your joints and for some other reason tend to settle on the right side of your body. anyway, know those pepper grinders that are clear and you can see the pepper corns mashing around ? think of the peppercorns as the purines and the grinder as your blood in joints. every time you move yoru joint the purines grind and flare up the joint. i went to the ER for my 1st attack thought i had necrosis or some spider bite. now i keep a bottle of Indomethacin (prescription) handy and when i feel the tingle coming i start popping those pills. gives me great gas. havnt had a full blown flare up since. just tak ethe pils to keep it down and drink LOTS of water during an attack. the worst was when i was in mexico on vacation and i had a flare up. so i went to a pharmacia and i think they were surprised i wasnt trying to buy viagra. with my broken spanish and their broken english i convinced the pharmacist that i needed indomethacin for gout and they had some. i took it all while i was down there so i wouldnt be busted trying to get that back over the border since its prescription

google "purines" and you come up with lists of foods that have them.
 
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