Canadian Sergeant at Arms

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Mr. Vickers, former RMCP is serving as Sergeant of Arms in the Canadian Parliament. They say he wears robes and his position is 'largely ceremonial'. He fatally shot a gunman ready to break into the meeting hall, but Mr. Vickers unpacked his ceremonial heat and blasted the perp.

Way to go Mr. Vickers:)
 
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Makes you wonder how many would have been killed had not this individual been ready and willing to take action against the rifle wielding terrorist. I wonder if the media will praise his action as a good man with a gun stopping a bad man with a gun. I'm not holding my breath for this to happen.
 
I would really like to hear more particulars on this, especially some explanation of how the Sgt. at Arms came to be "armed" for real. I'm glad he was, of course, but I thought these folks were not allowed any live ammo. I bet the poor soldier who was killed didn't have any live ammo.
 
If your job is to guard.....

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I would really like to hear more particulars on this, especially some explanation of how the Sgt. at Arms came to be "armed" for real. I'm glad he was, of course, but I thought these folks were not allowed any live ammo. I bet the poor soldier who was killed didn't have any live ammo.
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Apparently, if your job is to guard big wigs, you are allowed a gun (and ammunition) but if you are guarding yourself, you'll have to make do with household objects.
 
I saw CBS coverage and at least one Mountie had a stainless S&W 9mm in hand. They use a DA-only model. Model 5946?

Most had shoulder-fired arms, too.

I think jihad has come to Canada, and it ended better than might be expected. This time.

It was ordered here that added security be furnished at the Tomb of the Unknowns, probably our closest equivalent to Canada's War Memorial. I think all of the Western governments and any that are with us in Afghanistan need to issue live ammo to troops doing ceremonial duty at such monuments and arrange to get them quick backup.

And Buckingham Palace needs to stop being so casual and take the Queen and her family's safety very seriously. There are Muslim ghettos in the UK where no one else dares venture. They are bound to be breeding grounds for violence.
A UK acquaintance told me about them recently, and I was amazed at how numerous the population in such areas is.

O, Canada! Good on you! Mostly, well done!

BTW, Canada sent six fighter-bomber aircraft to fight ISIL. I think they use F/A-18 Hornets, like Australia?
 
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Workplace Violence?

I wonder what Obama's take will be on the two attacks against Canadian soldiers? To my knowledge, Canada has already labeled them terrorist attacks.

Canada has some draconian gun laws, probably worse than the laws in our blue states. But, I've lived long enough to see a pattern here in the U.S.: when a private citizen performs an heroic act with a firearm, the anti-gun faction goes silent. For the moment, they neither attack nor defend firearms ownership as to do so requires that they take the position that the hero should not have been armed.

Two days ago I took my brother and sister-in-law to visit the 911 Museum at the World Trade Center. I'm a retired federal agent, high security clearance, guarded two American presidents and several foreign heads of state. Nope, I was not permitted to carry a gun at the museum. I had to leave it at home. At the museum, you pass through security identical to airport security.
 
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Hello Guys, If this has been asked already, please excuse me. Just out of curiosity, were the Canadian Soldiers on duty at the War Memorial carrying loaded, or unloaded rifles ? I suspect that they were unloaded, but I'd be interested to know for certain.

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I would really like to hear more particulars on this, especially some explanation of how the Sgt. at Arms came to be "armed" for real. I'm glad he was, of course, but I thought these folks were not allowed any live ammo. I bet the poor soldier who was killed didn't have any live ammo.
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Mark, here is an explanation from one of the Canadian fellows (Ben) on the other board you and I belong to:



"The "Sgt. At Arms" is usually, in normal times, NOT armed. Usually he is only armed with a Ceremonial Mace but about 30 years ago there was a mentally unbalanced soldier who took over the Quebec Legislature, killing 3 and wounding 13 in the process. While he was spraying and shooting up the Council Chamber, the Sgt at Arms coolly walked in and demanded to know what is the meaning of this outrage, and in his best military voice ordered the soldier to stand down.

The shooter was persuaded to go to the Sgt at Arms' office to discuss what he had done. After 4 hours of persuasion he surrendered amid many tears of contrition . The unarmed Sgt at Arms, Maj. Rene Jalbert, was a much decorated war hero with 5 years of combat in WWll and 2 years in the Korean conflict. He took this ceremonial job as a plum reward for his heroic and outstanding service to our country.

Major Jalbert was awarded our country's highest bravery medal, to go with his many others. More importantly after that, most, if not all, sergeants at arms are armed."
 
Well done Mr. Vickers and glad that he was allowed to be armed.

As a former Canadian myself and living near the border I have more or less kept up on their gun laws through a Canadian gun board I belong to. It is rather difficult to own handguns there and must be 4 inches or longer. Rifles and shotguns are easier to own but must be kept locked up at home now and stick laws about transport to a range or hunting ground. They can though own short barrel rifles and shotguns and ARs are popular but mags have to be pinned at ten rounds I believe. Guys on that board are very avid gun owners and do envy our second amendment. The gun registration has been relaxed too since new administration took power there but a change could change everything.
Don't even think about taking a handgun to Canada as not allowed but you can take long guns for hunting or target shooting there. They must be registered at the border and you must take them back out with you when you leave. They are pretty friendly though to hunters and those going there to compete in gun competitions.
 
i think its time Canada reviews its current gun laws so there own people can protect themselves against criminals . they have been way to easy on who comes in there country. i did not know guards could not have ammo for there guns that just sounds crazy to me
 
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To my knowledge, Canada had passed a national gun registration scheme which they had in effect for several years. Then they rescinded it recently as they figured out for themselves that it served no purpose. Of course, our own legislators would not think to learn from the Canadian experience.
 
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