Effective 1/15/14 No Internet Ammunition Sales Into New York

Model39 said:

The fee for a background check is per actual purchase. If one could buy all the ammo they wanted that still would not be good, but most store like Walmart and our area gun shops limit the purchase to 3 boxes per day so you will be paying a lot more per box when you figure in the background check fee. Three small boxes of 22'S @ $2.47 a box plus a $20 background gets real expensive.
The ammo one now owns is not subject to a background check or has to registered like you asked. This will apply only to all new ammo purchases when the State Police data system gets up and running. It will also be illegal to buy ammo between individuals without a background check and the $20 fee. I personally have been buying up all the ammo that I use now and for the future to put off the pending fees. Todays newspaper said the anti-gun people want even more stricter gun and ammo control than is presently on the books now. It is not looking good for us law abiding folks here in New York.

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i suspect a lot of law-abiding folks will ignore the ammo purchase thing by buying it when in an American part of this Country. And im not advocating anything illegal.

I also live way Upstate. Other than 22's I only shoot hand loads. I remember when I was a kid we had to sign a log book to get 22 shells. Late 60's early 70's . That went away just a waste. Mr Cumo over played his hand . I don't think many see it. More gun owners in NY than Voters.
We could see him get the boot. It would be nice to make History. The other thing we have coming is most of us have life time pistol permits. They now have to be renewed every five years. NY pistol permit holders never bothered anyone. Change will come not everyone here has caught on they will.

HorizontalMike said:

I guess folks in NY will just have to pick up the phone and CALL to place an order. Problem solved...

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Nope its not that easy. It needs to be a face to face transaction with a approved seller

How are the criminals in NY going to get any ammo if they have to buy it with a back ground check? Anyone care to take a wild guess?

LostintheOzone said:

How are the criminals in NY going to get any ammo if they have to buy it with a back ground check? Anyone care to take a wild guess?

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They were smart and hoarded while they had the chance. Even though everyone talked down on them.

Is this $20 fee something new The NYSP Supt. just thought up,,, or is it something that has been legislatively ammended to the actual SAFE Act. (I don't recall it being there)

There is in the original law a limit of a $10 fee that an FFL in NYS can charge the partys involved in a 'private party transfer/sale'.
All private party sales/transfers must go thru an FFL now becasue of the SAFE Act,,so seeking out an FFL to do the paperwork is a must if you want to be on the up & up.
Especially so at Gunshows where Schneidermann has his Agent 86 types walking the floor.

I've seen FFL's, especially at gun shows in the state set up especially to accomodate the new law for the last year and charge way over that $10 from the private party individuals,,but no one seems to complain about that.
Now they're already complaining about a $20 ammo fee that I'm not sure is even in the law (yet!)

If the $20 fee to purchase ammo does actually come to be ,,then don't buy the ammo here.
Retailers lose money, they complain to the State about lost sales. The State loses sales tax,,they moan enough about that already, but they'll feel it even more.

Reload .

I just went through the ( Field guide to the "safe" act ) and could not find a 20$ fee for ammo background check, not saying it is not there, I could not find it. Also I noted that YOU MAY NOT load your 10 rd mag with more than 7 even in your home! I realize there has been a ruling about the mags, just saying what was in the act. NY maintained the "aw" registration, now they are adding more weapons, requirements, I would ask Californians how long before confiscation occurs ? I could not live there. I wish all the best. Be Safe,

All you New Yorkers can do is look at the bright side. The new ammo law will help make NY State a safer place to live and bring in some badly needed new revenue into the state.

vipermd said:

I just went through the ( Field guide to the "safe" act ) and could not find a 20$ fee for ammo background check, not saying it is not there, I could not find it. Also I noted that YOU MAY NOT load your 10 rd mag with more than 7 even in your home! I realize there has been a ruling about the mags, just saying what was in the act. NY maintained the "aw" registration, now they are adding more weapons, requirements, I would ask Californians how long before confiscation occurs ? I could not live there. I wish all the best. Be Safe,

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The $20 came about because DEALERS complained that it will take them at least 20-30 minutes to do the check and wanted to be compensated for their time doing the state's required background checks which would take them away from their regular business. The fee goes to the dealers, not the state. It should be noted there is a similar fee dealers are allowed to charge when doing background checks when individuals sell guns between themselves, since no private sales are allowed between persons on ANY firearm without the federal background check.
The 7 round magazine limit was overturned in federal court 12/31/13, and up to 10 rounds is now legal. The governor said in a statement that he will accept the federal courts ruling, but vows to appeal/fight it to the bitter end. The federal judge upheld everything else in the Safe Act law...no more assault type weapons along with a total ban (pre-ban or not) on any magazine/loading device which can hold more than 10 rounds.

Model39 said:

The $20 came about because DEALERS complained that it will take them at least 20-30 minutes to do the check and wanted to be compensated for their time doing the state's required background checks which would take them away from their regular business. The fee goes to the dealers, not the state. It should be noted there is a similar fee dealers are allowed to charge when doing background checks when individuals sell guns between themselves, since no private sales are allowed between persons on ANY firearm without the federal background check.
The 7 round magazine limit was overturned in federal court 12/31/13, and up to 10 rounds is now legal. The governor said in a statement that he will accept the federal courts ruling, but vows to appeal/fight it to the bitter end. The federal judge upheld everything else in the Safe Act law...no more assault type weapons along with a total ban (pre-ban or not) on any magazine/loading device which can hold more than 10 rounds.

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So much for the RKBA.

Yikes, sounds like New York doesn't like guns. I lucked out when it comes to nice places to live.

If they charge 20 bucks every trip to Walmart to get shot gun shells or 22's people won't shoot. Who could afford such foolishness? A once a year deer hunter could eat it I suppose.
I feel they over played their hand so far it will come back to bit. We are still Americans and being treated like I live in Europe shouldn't hold up. Time will tell. Meanwhile off to Vermont to get ammo for me.

Upstaters just pm me and I will ship from ohio. They can't stop me yet. I live in a free state.

"Sounds like a perfect set-up for an ammo smuggling operation."

OR .. a trip to an out-of-state gunshow with a fist full of dollars.

That sounds better.

I'd be damned before I'd pay extortion to buy ammo.

GF

mtnrider said:

I disagree. It's a well orchestrated effort by the liberals. Coming soon to a State near you. There is nothing knee jerk about it.

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I also agree, but from a strategic sense, I think it's a mistake to associate the anti-gun movement with liberals. Americans are team/gang/political party creatures who tend to support whatever it is they perceive their "team" to be for. By linking the anti-gun movement to liberals, we're reinforcing in all liberals minds they should be against anything gun. 'Not what we should try to do, since liberals probably outnumber the rest of us. We need to convince as many liberals as we can that *all* of the Constitution should be adhered to, that history *can* repeat itself, and that it's wrong for government to make it as excruciatingly hard as possible for regular people to defend themselves.

Must really stink to live behind enemy lines.

Model39 said:

A provision in the New York Safe Act kicked in today 1/15/14 prohibiting all internet sales of ammunition (except for FFL Holders) for any individuals. The record check provision is delayed because the state police have no data system currently in place to perform such checks. It was also announced that once the checks start, there will be a $20 fee for all ammo background checks, whether you buy one round or several boxes. And when the background checks start there will be no person to person ammo sales allowed without a check. Gone will be the days of "Hey Bill I can't make it to the gun show, can you pick me up several boxes of ammo"? It will be a crime to do so. I feel safer already.

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Doubtless this will be highly effective... just like Prohibition. And in the same way that Prohibition was enforced unevenly based on social standing and who one knew, so this new prohibition will be enforced. And in the same way that Prohibition and the later supposed war on drugs resulted in a decline in and disregard for the law, so this will result in exactly that same result. So it goes when people try to use the law to take away the fundamental rights of citizens. To quote from an earlier era, "Power to the people!"

Ok, once again for those of you who do not really understand the way things work in New York State. This could run a little long.
1. it is a large state, with most of it's land in farmland. For most of the population of NY STATE, New york city(that's the part most of you out of staters identify US with) is like another country.
2. politics, like so many corrupt entities do not always coincide with the thinking of the masses. New york city arguably has a VOTING population that is slightly larger than the VOTING population of the rest of the state.
3. New York City is the moneymaking capitol of this country. There are a lot of, mostly crooked, politicians in the NYC area. There are a lot of criminals in the NYC area. Many of the criminals in NYC are close to many of the politicians in NYC.
4. to the best of my knowledge, there are fewer violent crimes in my county(ST. Lawrence) in a year than there are in a week in NYC.
5. People in NYC are either very well off financially, or on the edge of extremely poor. The poor like for the well heeled to pay for their needs. The well heeled like for the government to take less of their money, especially to give to those who are not as well off.
6. NYC had Mayor Bloomburg for too long, now it has another Mayor of the same ilk. His thinking is NO MORE GUNS! The poor of NYC, as well as the well off in NYC want to lower the rate of citizen upon citizen gun crimes in NYC. The mommies of NYC want the STATE to STOP the murder of their sons and daughters(hey, it's not their fault they can't read, write, add or subtract, so they gotta work at what they know best, slinging dope, prostitution, murder and mayhem).
7. It is EXTREMELY difficult to own a concealed handgun, or own a long gun in NYC.
8. NYC is not the spokes body for the rest of the state. Although it may appear so to you, who do not have anything invested in this state.
9. The NYC and downstate voters, downstate voters are those within a workday commute to NYC, for all practical purposes for the most part, do not even know upstate NY exists.
10. these same people, are, unfortunately the people who most support the ill-conceived SAFE ACT.
12. These same people are not the hunters, fishermen and women, recreational shooters outdoors people that make up the population of a lot of the rest of the state.

To sum it up, we, the "Rest of the State" population get pushed aside by the big money, political hacks as if we do not matter. Tell me otherwise, I will listen, but why is Herr Cuomo talking about a rooftop highway to go nowhere? why is he "Snowmobiling" in Jefferson County, why is he "trout fishing" in a well publicized adirondack stream, he never held a fly rod in his life, why have about 58 of the 62 counties in NYS passed resolutions AGAINST the SAFE ACT? Why are the NYSP in no hurry to invest in the computers and programming to make his ammunition law work?
Cuomo's law was illegally presented, illegally passed and while it is the Law of the Land right now, It will not go fully into effect before almost all of it will be thrown out or overturned.
As a final note, I have lived in NYS for all of my 68 years. Went to school here, benefiting from some of the Rockefeller rules, made a life here, happily mostly, raised my kids here, got my college degrees here, have owned property here and like living here more so than anyplace else I've ever been. I'm less than an hour from Ottawa, the Adirondacks, the St Lawrence is what I look across every morning and I don't want to leave.
Questions, comments, concerns, email me

vt_shooter said:

I also agree, but from a strategic sense, I think it's a mistake to associate the anti-gun movement with liberals. Americans are team/gang/political party creatures who tend to support whatever it is they perceive their "team" to be for. By linking the anti-gun movement to liberals, we're reinforcing in all liberals minds they should be against anything gun. 'Not what we should try to do, since liberals probably outnumber the rest of us. We need to convince as many liberals as we can that *all* of the Constitution should be adhered to, that history *can* repeat itself, and that it's wrong for government to make it as excruciatingly hard as possible for regular people to defend themselves.

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Well said.

This thread has informed everyone of the new, ridiculous law.
I don't see any constructive planning or advice here to fight it (which should be in the 2A forum anyway).
It has inspired a few to drift into general political commentary, which we don't do on this board.
So, we're done here.