Gorilla story

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  1. They were right to shoot the gorilla.
  2. The parents are grossly negligent. They should probably be made to foot the bill for the whole thing, if not being prosecuted for child neglect and endangerment.
  3. There may be an issue with the enclosure if a child could have unauthorized access.
  4. PETA don't love animals. They hate humans.
 
We wildlife biologists call gorillas "The Gentle Giants". Likely the safest thing was to euthanize the gorilla. However, in my opinion, the mother (and maybe the kid, since he has her genes) are definite Darwin candidates!
 
The parents are grossly negligent. They should probably be made to foot the bill for the whole thing, if not being prosecuted for child neglect and endangerment.
Yep. Sad thing is that the gorilla *was* apparently trying to protect the child. Of course a 400-pound gorilla could accidentally harm the child in the process of trying to protect it. Little kids are not little gorillas after all.

It's too bad that there wasn't a better alternative rescue plan than shooting this rare & valuable endangered animal. :o
 
Yep. Sad thing is that the gorilla *was* apparently trying to protect the child.
I think that's dubious at best unlike the famous previous incident.

But of course it's immaterial. The gorilla was an animal and as such had no moral agency. It was going to do what it was going to do, based on whatever transitory internal urges it felt.

The PARENTS had BOTH moral agency and a LEGAL DUTY to exercise due care to ensure the child's safety, whether it be from a gorilla or a forest fire. As far as I'm concerned, they did NOT.
 
Yep. Sad thing is that the gorilla *was* apparently trying to protect the child. Of course a 400-pound gorilla could accidentally harm the child in the process of trying to protect it. Little kids are not little gorillas after all.

It's too bad that there wasn't a better alternative rescue plan than shooting this rare & valuable endangered animal. :o

I'm not sure we should pretend to know what's in the mind of a 400 pound gorilla. Human life is more important than animal life. Always, one of the first things I told people I would ride with at work was: "Never swerve a 4,000 pound, $40,000 vehicle to save a ten cent squirrel . . . "
 
I'm not sure we should pretend to know what's in the mind of a 400 pound gorilla. Human life is more important than animal life. Always, one of the first things I told people I would ride with at work was: "Never swerve a 4,000 pound, $40,000 vehicle to save a ten cent squirrel . . . "
I think you missed the main point of my post which was preserving (if possible) the life of a rare & valuable endangered animal by perhaps having a better rescue plan in place. No one is saying that animal life trumps human life. That's just plain silly.

And regarding those damn tree rats... I run them over every chance I get. :p
 
I saw Jack Hannah on TV a while ago. He said what the Zoo did was
appropriate. He said a gorilla like that can crush a green coconut in
his hand. So powerful he could have accidentally injured or killed the
kid. Meanwhile the mother is probably meeting with her attorney,
the Zoo people are figuring out how to close the barn door, and the
gorilla is in gorilla heaven.
 
I believe the zoo did the right thing to protect the safety of the child.

To say the zoo was wrong or to say the mother was negligent or to criticize anyone for what happened would be wrong since none of us know exactly how this happened.

It really bothers me to see and hear people that jump in accusing someone when they know nothing and don't know the facts.

I'm sure an investigation and possible lawsuits will follow.

The only opinion or thought I would share on this forum would be the fact that it was a shame that this had to happen. I feel for both the family involved and the zoo. Putting such a majestic animal down for the sake of the safety of a child was necessary. Just a shame all the way around.
 
I think people are forgetting how quick a 4 year old can get into trouble. Could that mother have been taking care of more than one kid?
I don't know why the video didn't include the parent going over the wall next, I'm pretty sure I would have.
Any fence low enough for a 4 year old to get over, through, or whatever is no fence at all.
Gorilla life....Kid life.... Animal 0 Kid 1 sorry to say.
 
From a post on facebook by
Amanda O'Donoughue

I am going to try to clear up a few things that have been weighing on me about Harambe and the Cinci Zoo since I read the news this afternoon.

I have worked with Gorillas as a zookeeper while in my twenties (before children) and they are my favorite animal (out of dozens) that I have ever worked closely with. I am gonna go ahead and list a few facts, thoughts and opinions for those of you that aren't familiar with the species itself, or how a zoo operates in emergency situations.

Now Gorillas are considered 'gentle giants' at least when compared with their more aggressive cousins the chimpanzee, but a 400+ pound male in his prime is as strong as roughly 10 adult humans. What can you bench press? OK, now multiply that number by ten. An adult male silverback gorilla has one job, to protect his group. He does this by bluffing or intimidating anything that he feels threatened by.

Gorillas are considered a Class 1 mammal, the most dangerous class of mammals in the animal kingdom, again, merely due to their size and strength. They are grouped in with other apes, tigers, lions, bears, etc.

While working in an AZA accredited zoo with Apes, keepers DO NOT work in contact with them. Meaning they do NOT go in with these animals. There is always a welded mesh barrier between the animal and the humans.

In more recent decades, zoos have begun to redesign enclosures, removing all obvious caging and attempting to create a seamless view of the animals for the visitor to enjoy watching animals in a more natural looking habitat. *this is great until little children begin falling into exhibits* which of course can happen to anyone, especially in a crowded zoo-like setting.

I have watched this video over again, and with the silverback's postering, and tight lips, it's pretty much the stuff of any keeper's nightmares, and I have had MANY while working with them. This job is not for the complacent. Gorillas are kind, curious, and sometimes silly, but they are also very large, very strong animals. I always brought my OCD to work with me. checking and rechecking locks to make sure my animals and I remained separated before entering to clean.

I keep hearing that the Gorilla was trying to protect the boy. I do not find this to be true. Harambe reaches for the boys hands and arms, but only to position the child better for his own displaying purposes.

Males do very elaborate displays when highly agitated, slamming and dragging things about. Typically they would drag large branches, barrels and heavy weighted balls around to make as much noise as possible. Not in an effort to hurt anyone or anything (usually) but just to intimidate. It was clear to me that he was reacting to the screams coming from the gathering crowd.

Harambe was most likely not going to separate himself from that child without seriously hurting him first (again due to mere size and strength, not malicious intent) Why didn't they use treats? well, they attempted to call them off exhibit (which animals hate), the females in the group came in, but Harambe did not. What better treat for a captive animal than a real live kid!

They didn't use Tranquilizers for a few reasons, A. Harambe would've taken too long to become immobilized, and could have really injured the child in the process as the drugs used may not work quickly enough depending on the stress of the situation and the dose B. Harambe would've have drowned in the moat if immobilized in the water, and possibly fallen on the boy trapping him and drowning him as well.

Many zoos have the protocol to call on their expertly trained dart team in the event of an animal escape or in the event that a human is trapped with a dangerous animal. They will evaluate the scene as quickly and as safely as possible, and will make the most informed decision as how they will handle the animal.

I can't point fingers at anyone in this situation, but we need to really evaluate the safety of the animal enclosures from the visitor side. Not impeding that view is a tough one, but their should be no way that someone can find themselves inside of an animal's exhibit.

I know one thing for sure, those keepers lost a beautiful, and I mean gorgeous silverback and friend. I feel their loss with them this week. As educators and conservators of endangered species, all we can do is shine a light on the beauty and majesty of these animals in hopes to spark a love and a need to keep them from vanishing from our planet. Child killers, they are not. It's unfortunate for the conservation of the species, and the loss of revenue a beautiful zoo such as Cinci will lose. tragedy all around.
 
I saw Jack Hannah on TV a while ago. He said what the Zoo did was
appropriate. He said a gorilla like that can crush a green coconut in
his hand. So powerful he could have accidentally injured or killed the
kid. Meanwhile the mother is probably meeting with her attorney,
the Zoo people are figuring out how to close the barn door, and the
gorilla is in gorilla heaven.

I also saw where Hanna said he had "no doubt" the kid would have died. I have an M.S. in Animal Behaviour and can categorically state that anyone who predicts "without a doubt" what any animal will do is a complete and utter fool, any more than a psychologist can look at a newsreel and predict what someone will do.

I have little experience with apes. I do have several scars from smaller primates. I once assisted in giving a wooly a shot. We had six people when the little bugger grabbed the syringe with his tail and flung it against the wall==we called in another person to hold his tail!
 
Bob! Wow. I've heard a few so-called experts on TV but none impress me remotely as much as that one. Thanks.
 
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To say the zoo was wrong or to say the mother was negligent or to criticize anyone for what happened would be wrong since none of us know exactly how this happened.
Unless the wall/fence collapsed and the kid fell through, or somebody snatched him up and THREW him into enclosure, I'm going to be pretty confident in saying she was negligent.

Whether the zoo was negligent depends upon the reasonableness of how the barrier was constructed and whether it met generally accepted practices in that trade.
 
Regardless of what errors took place on any and everyone's part,

A child's life/safety trumps an animal's life....

Everyday in my book.



* wild animals, belong in the wild.
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That Sir is 100% Truth!

Teach kids we are just mammals that all evolved from apes and eventually you get a generation that believes that apes and humans have the same value. They say to themselves "there are lots of 4 year olds and not that many silverbacks. If both are simply mammals, then it stands to reason the rare one has more value."

God help us all!
 
That Sir is 100% Truth!

Teach kids we are just mammals that all evolved from apes and eventually you get a generation that believes that apes and humans have the same value. They say to themselves "there are lots of 4 year olds and not that many silverbacks. If both are simply mammals, then it stands to reason the rare one has more value."

God help us all!

Nobody who knows anything about evolutionary science believes human beings "evolved from apes".
 
if humans CHOOSE to have offsprings.......take care of them.....they are YOUR responsibility.....
 
Nobody who knows anything about evolutionary science believes human beings "evolved from apes".

Really? Well, the Smithsonian National Museum of Natural History, countless scientists, and teachers disagree.

Introduction to Human Evolution | The Smithsonian Institution's Human Origins Program

"Human evolution is the lengthy process of change by which people originated from apelike ancestors. Scientific evidence shows that the physical and behavioral traits shared by all people originated from apelike ancestors and evolved over a period of approximately six million years."
 
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The animal rights nuts put more value on an animals life than that of a human, that said I think child services should investigate the parents.
Kids are quick to get in trouble but its a parents responsibility to keep a close eye on them especially in a crowded public environment.
 
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