Ziggy2525
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And here I always thought it was private ownership over government control.
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Walmart bans “Short barrel ammunition”?
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And here I always thought it was private ownership over government control.
I don't think the government told Wal-Mart to do anything. And Wal-Mart is not exactly a privately owned company . . .
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You were talking about capitalism, but lets stick with Walmart. Ownership (Walmart stock) is publicly traded, but privately owned. Does the federal or state government own a stake in Walmart?
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Sears and K-Mart did not go under because they stopped selling guns, ammo, and related stuff.
This really didn't surprise me much, wally world has done public, "gun control" posturing before. A few years ago they sold AR's and other "tactical" style guns. After a few highly publicized shootings they discontinued sale of all such guns and accessories (and they wanted them gone quick so they marked them down and had a virtual feeding frenzy of buyers). Just last year they raised the minimum age to buy guns or ammo to 21 (started in march 2018) also as a response to media pressure over more shootings.
So it really shouldn't be a surprise to anyone that they would go along with more anti gun BS at a time when the media is screaming for more gun control. Now personally I think it's a really bad choice for them as they are giving up a good portion of their sporting goods department business for little more than a publicity gain.
I will add that I have been working the sporting goods counter at the local wally world for the last three years since the specialty gun/hunting store I had worked for went out of business (and not because of walmart either, just bad management decisions). Wally world sells a lot of ammo largely because of reasonable pricing and convenience. They only carry popular calibers (no 32/20 or 7.5 Swiss here) but their prices are fair and, more important, they are here. The few other businesses in the area are usually a good bit higher and most of the people I have dealt with aren't likely to go online and buy case lots from AIM or J&G to get a better deal. They just want a box or two and they want it now. But they do buy and many do so regularly, they will have to shop elsewhere now.
Personally I had expected some such stupidity from WM management based on their past history though I thought it would probably be getting rid of the bulk pack ammo or perhaps taking ammo out of stores that didn't sell guns (and reducing the number of those stores that do sell guns again). This is just dumb, I doubt if anyone in corporate management even realizes that they sell Henry rifles, chambered for handgun calibers, in their midwestern stores as they are a popular deer rifle. Be able to sell the customer a new deer rifle but no ammo to go with it?
I'm glad that I'm almost at the point of being able to retire, things like this both annoy and depress me. I can remember when virtually every chain store, hardware and many other businesses sold guns and ammo, even gas stations and rural groceries sold ammo. While gun owners have fought against gun control and even made progress in regaining Rights (CCW laws, overturned gun bans, etc) things like this are a step the other way.... less availability is not a good thing for gun owners. I hope that it does provide an opportunity for some motivated small shop owners to pick up the business wally word is discarding
So it really shouldn't be a surprise to anyone that they would go along with more anti gun BS at a time when the media is screaming for more gun control. Now personally I think it's a really bad choice for them as they are giving up a good portion of their sporting goods department business for little more than a publicity gain.
I will add that I have been working the sporting goods counter at the local wally world for the last three years since the specialty gun/hunting store I had worked for went out of business (and not because of walmart either, just bad management decisions). Wally world sells a lot of ammo largely because of reasonable pricing and convenience. They only carry popular calibers (no 32/20 or 7.5 Swiss here) but their prices are fair and, more important, they are here. The few other businesses in the area are usually a good bit higher and most of the people I have dealt with aren't likely to go online and buy case lots from AIM or J&G to get a better deal. They just want a box or two and they want it now. But they do buy and many do so regularly, they will have to shop elsewhere now.
Personally I had expected some such stupidity from WM management based on their past history though I thought it would probably be getting rid of the bulk pack ammo or perhaps taking ammo out of stores that didn't sell guns (and reducing the number of those stores that do sell guns again). This is just dumb, I doubt if anyone in corporate management even realizes that they sell Henry rifles, chambered for handgun calibers, in their midwestern stores as they are a popular deer rifle. Be able to sell the customer a new deer rifle but no ammo to go with it?
I'm glad that I'm almost at the point of being able to retire, things like this both annoy and depress me. I can remember when virtually every chain store, hardware and many other businesses sold guns and ammo, even gas stations and rural groceries sold ammo. While gun owners have fought against gun control and even made progress in regaining Rights (CCW laws, overturned gun bans, etc) things like this are a step the other way.... less availability is not a good thing for gun owners. I hope that it does provide an opportunity for some motivated small shop owners to pick up the business wally word is discarding
As far as this new policy goes it will not be much different than things have been for a few years in my area. I live in the middle of 3 of them all at least a 25 mile trip.
These stores have never been "gun friendly" If the ammo will work in a handgun the drones demand to see your pistol permit, some will listen when you explain its going in a carbine, some clerks who know squat about guns just refuse to sell.
Years back they cut way back on what guns they would sell, of course you had to have a department manger to purchase it and that could take a bit of time. If they did sell it to you, they would not sell you ammo at the same time and they had to walk the gun (including BB guns) in a sealed with strapping tape carton to your car.
I do my business at LGS, most of which know me on a first named basis. What I said above is being at WallyWorld for other items and observing or talking with people I know.
These stores have never been "gun friendly" If the ammo will work in a handgun the drones demand to see your pistol permit, some will listen when you explain its going in a carbine, some clerks who know squat about guns just refuse to sell.
Years back they cut way back on what guns they would sell, of course you had to have a department manger to purchase it and that could take a bit of time. If they did sell it to you, they would not sell you ammo at the same time and they had to walk the gun (including BB guns) in a sealed with strapping tape carton to your car.
I do my business at LGS, most of which know me on a first named basis. What I said above is being at WallyWorld for other items and observing or talking with people I know.
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IMO, things that Walmart does are a non event.
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I hate to be cold, crass, and selfish but my first priority is to my family, and myself as it should with all reasonable people. Sure I am disgusted with the types who commit such crimes, and with that I up my game protecting myself.
That includes avoiding places that are targets, especially when they do not allow the best tactical self defense weapon because of snowflakes feelings. I do not carry a long gun, I am old, and don't want the extra weight, and also lazy. BUT if I am there and the SHTF I sure as heck want a law abiding citizen there with an AR that knows how to use it.
It is funny that everytime there is one of these incidents here come the people who dance in the blood happy as can be pushing their agenda. It is saddening that the anti OC zealots chime right in doing the same thing. Shame on them!
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Don't forget Montgomery Ward, but no it was bad business practices. It just is just very interesting that they all stop catering to shooters, and then made a bunch of bad decisions.
But the big lesson is, nobody can stay at the top forever. As far as Sears my father predicted their demise when they closed the farm type department stores, and moved into malls.
Doing something stupid is not a viable option. Did the shooter buy his ammunition at a Walmart? Or did he just target Walmart because it was a Saturday and he knew that there would be a lot of people there shopping?
By doing "something" how much liberty are you planning to give up? No handguns? No semi auto rifles? No semi auto shotguns?
Banning things never, ever, works to reduce crime.
Nothing directed at the people who caused this? Who would that be? Criminals? Do you think everyone else on this forum is in favor of criminals killing people? Do you think we cheer them on by not agreeing to curtail our own rights?
By doing "something" how much liberty are you planning to give up? No handguns? No semi auto rifles? No semi auto shotguns?
Banning things never, ever, works to reduce crime.
Nothing directed at the people who caused this? Who would that be? Criminals? Do you think everyone else on this forum is in favor of criminals killing people? Do you think we cheer them on by not agreeing to curtail our own rights?
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Finally! A comment that hits the nail on the head! Thank you.
What a shame the forum software won't allow more than one hit on the "Like" button!
Interestingly, and now that you bring it up, yes, if you’re going the “privately owned” stock route. The Yankee Gov’t invests in Wal-Mart stock every day via various funds in the Thrift Savings Program, the federal version of a 401k. And state gov’t pension plans do the same thing . . .
EXACTLY.
"Do SOMETHING" - even if it is wrong, or ineffective or counterproductive.
That approach is exactly how we got "Gun Free Zones" (a.k.a. shooting galleries for nutjobs). We "did something" that just happened to make the problem worse (94% of mass shootings happen in "gun free zones").
As far as "doing something" what we do needs to be reasonable, logical, effective, and CONSTITUTIONAL. Feel good B.S. actions that don't accomplish anything except burdening the law abiding or making it harder for them to get the tools to defend themselves don't fit any of those criteria.
The WM actions fit into the ILLOGICAL and INEFFECTIVE category. They aren't going to prevent any of these incidents and if they become a "gun free zone" may well contribute to their stores becoming an even more appealing target for these kinds of slaughter events.
So no, do SOMETHING isn't a good approach.
Do something EFFECTIVE is the only viable approach.
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Another remembrance about Sears. It stopped selling guns and ammunition in the late 1960s, partially as a consequence of the JFK assassination. I remember I was living in Maryland at the time, and I bought a large quantity of .22 Short and 12 gauge Sears ammunition at about half price when they were moving everything out. I got there too late to buy anything else and only some ammunition remained.
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That would probably ban half the customers. Have you ever seen photos of "Wal Mart people"?
And don't forget Woolworth's. I remember taking a dear friend there so she could buy an M-1 Garand. I should have bought one of the Swedish Mausers they were selling.
Every time the left moans we give “something”, the next time the left groans we give “something”else, and it continues.
When do we get “something”?
