Not a classic in the true sense of the word but took a CZ 452 22 Mag to the range today. I put a different scope on it and it's ready for tree rats. In digging through my mass of **** I found some dovetail rings and a couple of old TV screen Redfield scopes. A 2x7 and a 3x9. I think I'll scope up the Remington pump and put it back in service.
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Nothing Like a Classic .22 Rifle
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DWalt
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I have not fired .22 CB Shorts in my 550, but it handles .22 Short SVs reliably. Not much more noise than a BB gun. I am very partial to using .22 Shorts in mine, as that was all I used back when I was a kid. I could afford shorts at about a quarter a box, but Long Rifles were too costly for me. I think they were 40 cents. I have a pretty good stockpile of old .22 Short ammunition, but most of it is now so old that it has some collectible value. I also have a 12C somewhere. I haven’t seen it for years. You may be aware that some say that HV .22 ammunition should not be used in one, only SV.
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Since the thread was started I have gotten a few more rimfire rifles. The one I shoot most at my 25 yard indoor range is a new classic, an Anschutz 54 trainer that was issued in 1956 as the G33. I find the weight and balance great for offhand shooting.
The early Anschutz 1415/16 usually had rather unexciting wood and I chose this 1416 and the 1418 for the grain.
The Krico Stutzen also displays nicer wood than the average Krico of its time.
The post war BRNO Mod.1 is already marked BRNO and no longer tgf for Tschechische Gewehrfabrik and the bolt action is smoother than of the average CZ, Anschutz or Sako. It is a great plinker!
The early Anschutz 1415/16 usually had rather unexciting wood and I chose this 1416 and the 1418 for the grain.
The Krico Stutzen also displays nicer wood than the average Krico of its time.
The post war BRNO Mod.1 is already marked BRNO and no longer tgf for Tschechische Gewehrfabrik and the bolt action is smoother than of the average CZ, Anschutz or Sako. It is a great plinker!
Should have bought a nylon 66 but never did. As far as “classics” go I have two Schultz & Larsen Model 70s (photos) Winchester 75 Target, Remington 511 Scoremaster & Stevens 416. All tackdrivers and great fun.
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LOP on the Schultz & Larsen Model 70's
It may be just the way I'm viewing the pics attached but have the stocks been cut, or is just the pic? The length of pull looks really short in relation to the pistol grip sizing? I had not really heard of the S & L brand but I think they are gorgeous rifles and I sure like to add 1 or 2 to my 22 rifle collection, and I'm equally sure the family would love them too.
Can you share some history of these beauties? Are they still in business? I know Google is your friend, but I like to hear it from real people, in real time and not some Wikileakers version of history.
It may be just the way I'm viewing the pics attached but have the stocks been cut, or is just the pic? The length of pull looks really short in relation to the pistol grip sizing? I had not really heard of the S & L brand but I think they are gorgeous rifles and I sure like to add 1 or 2 to my 22 rifle collection, and I'm equally sure the family would love them too.
Can you share some history of these beauties? Are they still in business? I know Google is your friend, but I like to hear it from real people, in real time and not some Wikileakers version of history.
Charlie - keen eye there ! Yes one was cut when I bought it. These are Danish target rifles that were imported some years ago. They were used by shooting clubs and a lot of them had club stickers and award plates on the stocks (the cut one has a little brass plate on it). They were in the used rack at my LGS for what I thought was a steal - $150 for the cut one and $195 for the other. The stock on the cut one was hacked / rough. My buddy refinished both stocks for me. I bought them to use at the kids shooting program I ran at my range. The cut one fit the little guys perfect. I’m sure there are some available out there. They are single shots. You have to manually insert the round in the chamber there is no ramp or loading tray. There is also no ejector - the extractor pulls it out and drops it into a tray under the open bolt. Really accurate and both of mine have great sights. The fronts have the replaceable Lyman type posts. Here are some links about them.
Schultz & Larsen Model 70 | Rimfire Central Firearm Forum
Schultz & Larsen M70 .22 Cal Target Rifle #SCH00037
Schultz & Larsen M70 | The Firearms Forum
Schultz & Larsen Model 70 | Rimfire Central Firearm Forum
Schultz & Larsen M70 .22 Cal Target Rifle #SCH00037
Schultz & Larsen M70 | The Firearms Forum
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I have two of the Winchester marked 52B reissue rifles as well as one of the Browning marked 52 reissue rifles. The first one had very good wood while the second and third were pretty much the norm.
All three of them shoot right around 1 MOA at 100 yards with SK Std Plus.
I forgot one, a 1906 Winchester that was made in 1911.
An old time gunsmith from Minnesota had refurbished it, and did a great job.
It's the hardest rifle for me to shoot, because of the lightweight and little nubs of sights. One of these days I'll put a tang sight on it.
But man, what a Browning designed little gem. It's almost too petite for adult use, but my two grandsons will enjoy it when they get old enough to hold it !
The 1906 pump looks small next to the Browning Bl-22, which isn't a real big carbine to begin with.
The Nylon 66 looks huge next to both of them, an adult size .22 for sure.
An old time gunsmith from Minnesota had refurbished it, and did a great job.
It's the hardest rifle for me to shoot, because of the lightweight and little nubs of sights. One of these days I'll put a tang sight on it.
But man, what a Browning designed little gem. It's almost too petite for adult use, but my two grandsons will enjoy it when they get old enough to hold it !
The 1906 pump looks small next to the Browning Bl-22, which isn't a real big carbine to begin with.
The Nylon 66 looks huge next to both of them, an adult size .22 for sure.
I am a sucker for any old .22 rifle, but I really get excited with old Winchesters. Most of mine are old, but maybe edge into the classic region. I had several posted in this thread back in 2019, but fototime went dead and lost my pictures. I have collected at least one of every single shot model that Winchester produced.
A few single shots.
Some bolt actions, 69s, 69As, 56, 57, 75s
Some pumps 1906, 1890, 61, 62A
I kind of like classic .22 rifles.
A few single shots.
Some bolt actions, 69s, 69As, 56, 57, 75s
Some pumps 1906, 1890, 61, 62A
I kind of like classic .22 rifles.
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I have a fair amount of the old fashioned steel and walnut, this one is old but a little different.
Remington Nylon 11. The bolt action version of their semi Nylon 66.
Remington Nylon 11. The bolt action version of their semi Nylon 66.
DWalt
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There was also a lever action version. I know there are some rarities in the Remington Nylon series, but I don’t remember what they were. There was once a very good Remington Nylon rifle fanboy website, but I believe it bit the dust.
Now, if anyone wants to discuss Daisy .22 VLs, I am your guy.
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Where do I start oldest shooter??? oldest in my collection?? Or oldest taken on the hunt??
Oldest shooter
1915 Stevens favorite.
1921 Savage Sporter
Savage Model 6-A
Various Mosbergs 14xx, 151xx
Favourite Marlin Model 57M .22mag.
Three Rugar 10/22's one is a takedown model NRA series
Remington Model 597 DU series.
Savage Model 24 .22 mag and 410 O/U
Pictures somewhere on the site.
Oldest shooter
1915 Stevens favorite.
1921 Savage Sporter
Savage Model 6-A
Various Mosbergs 14xx, 151xx
Favourite Marlin Model 57M .22mag.
Three Rugar 10/22's one is a takedown model NRA series
Remington Model 597 DU series.
Savage Model 24 .22 mag and 410 O/U
Pictures somewhere on the site.
OP
Lot of nice classic rifles owned here. Here is some pictures of the Martini 12/15 just adopted. The barrel was cut to 20 3/4” from 29” and hopefully shoots OK, will find out Tuesday morning. Hope to eventually add a full length forend, that’s why I bought it.
The other is an Al Freeland Super .22 Target rifle with an Eric Johnson Barrel. Made the rifle in 3-1950 and is NUMBER 11 of 21 Made. The receiver has Made in the USA on the left upper top, BSA made the International Martini after this. Very lucky find. I was bidding on the wood and later found, (after I won it) it was a Freeland rifle. Shoots 1/4” or less at 50 yards, trying to do under 1/4”. Mounted the Super Lyman Target Spot scope to make it look great. Yeah, I love Martinis. Larry
The other is an Al Freeland Super .22 Target rifle with an Eric Johnson Barrel. Made the rifle in 3-1950 and is NUMBER 11 of 21 Made. The receiver has Made in the USA on the left upper top, BSA made the International Martini after this. Very lucky find. I was bidding on the wood and later found, (after I won it) it was a Freeland rifle. Shoots 1/4” or less at 50 yards, trying to do under 1/4”. Mounted the Super Lyman Target Spot scope to make it look great. Yeah, I love Martinis. Larry
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The Kimber of Oregon Model 82 Sporter should probably be in the list of classic .22 LR rifles.
I’ll show it here along side a Winchester marked Miroku made Model 52 reissue. With 10,000 of the Winchester marked and 5,000 of the Browning marked examples made, the Model 52 reissue rifles is arguably the best production sporter .22 LR ever made.
The Kimber of Oregon Model 82 sporter however is also a contender.
Kimber used nice, of usually straight grained walnut stocks with cut checkering. On average the wood is as good as the Model 52 reissue rifles. (I’ve only seen 3 other Model 52 reissued with wood as nicely figured as mine, more are pretty straight grained).
The polish and blue is also excellent.
The Kimber wins when it comes to the bottom metal, with nicely fitted milled steel, as opposed to the stamped bottom metal of the Model 52.
Both have checkered steel butt plates with the Model 52 having a slightly nicer Neidner style butt plate.
I should add however, that the Neidner style butt plate is only found on the Winchester marked 52 Reissue rifles as the Browning marked rifles have a regular butt plate.
Both shoot 1 MOA 5 shot groups at 100 yards with mid grade ammunition. The Model 52 does it with Sk Std Plus, while the Kimber prefers CCI SV.
I’ll show it here along side a Winchester marked Miroku made Model 52 reissue. With 10,000 of the Winchester marked and 5,000 of the Browning marked examples made, the Model 52 reissue rifles is arguably the best production sporter .22 LR ever made.
The Kimber of Oregon Model 82 sporter however is also a contender.
Kimber used nice, of usually straight grained walnut stocks with cut checkering. On average the wood is as good as the Model 52 reissue rifles. (I’ve only seen 3 other Model 52 reissued with wood as nicely figured as mine, more are pretty straight grained).
The polish and blue is also excellent.
The Kimber wins when it comes to the bottom metal, with nicely fitted milled steel, as opposed to the stamped bottom metal of the Model 52.
Both have checkered steel butt plates with the Model 52 having a slightly nicer Neidner style butt plate.
I should add however, that the Neidner style butt plate is only found on the Winchester marked 52 Reissue rifles as the Browning marked rifles have a regular butt plate.
Both shoot 1 MOA 5 shot groups at 100 yards with mid grade ammunition. The Model 52 does it with Sk Std Plus, while the Kimber prefers CCI SV.
The most accurate .22 LR bolt rifle I own is this classic Winchester Model 75 sporter made in 1956. The accuracy is amazing, with cloverleaf groups out to 100 yards. These guns had the Model 75 target chambers and rifling and were designed to be at their best with .22 LR only. The bolts were factory custom headspaced to each gun and were serial numbered. I actually prefer the 75 to the Model 52 sporter, which is way heavier. This one is much more portable in the field.
In order to mount the scope I had to remove the stepped riser in the open rear sight. I made a cubbyhole for it under the buttplate so it will not be lost. I used a trigger shoe, positioned to eliminate all but a minute amount of overtravel. The let-off is absolutely perfect.
I was talking with an old-timer many years ago at a gun show, and we were discussing accurate .22s. He mentioned that he had a 75 sporter in his truck if I wanted to see it, but first he wanted to browse the show a bit. I told him to take his time, but inwardly I was beside myself to see what he had. He finally came back to me and we went out to his truck. The gun was perfect, and I bought it for a good price. Luck of the Irish, I guess!
John
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In order to mount the scope I had to remove the stepped riser in the open rear sight. I made a cubbyhole for it under the buttplate so it will not be lost. I used a trigger shoe, positioned to eliminate all but a minute amount of overtravel. The let-off is absolutely perfect.
I was talking with an old-timer many years ago at a gun show, and we were discussing accurate .22s. He mentioned that he had a 75 sporter in his truck if I wanted to see it, but first he wanted to browse the show a bit. I told him to take his time, but inwardly I was beside myself to see what he had. He finally came back to me and we went out to his truck. The gun was perfect, and I bought it for a good price. Luck of the Irish, I guess!
John
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