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Sig P365 at the 7,500 round mark
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I'll second this recommendation.
I carry a 10-converted-to-12 round mag in the gun and a 12-converted-to-14 round mag as a spare. 27 rounds total with one in the pipe.
Personally I have large hands but short fingers. The regular P365 fits my hand better than anything else I've ever shot, and consequently I shoot it better than anything else I've ever shot. It shoots softly for a micro, it is easy to conceal, it is accurate, and has been 100% reliable.
What is not to LOVE?!?
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Onomea,
The original 365 grip size fits my smaller hands quite well. The overall size, round capacity, and grip ergonomics made it an immediate purchase for me. I would think someone with large hands would find the regular 365 grip to be almost comically small.
The only thing I wished for was a safety, but figured that was a pipe dream. I carried a H&K USP compact (version 7, right side safety/decocker for a lefty) for 20 years (almost 1/2 my life at the time), competed with it in many IDPA matches so disengaging the safety during a draw became 2nd nature. I still sweep the right side with my left thumb of any handgun I draw. Low and behold a few years went by and suddenly they offered a safety version. I purchased the safety version and sold the original. Bliss!
The safety feature on an EDC gun is a polarizing feature. My friend who is still on the job tried my safety version vs. his non and proclaimed “no way. If I need to draw it someone needs to gets shot as fast as possible”. My other friend felt the safety was too small for him to consistently manipulate. Both of these guys are big dudes with large hands. I think that is a huge difference.
I have put a lot of thought into this and decided for ME a safety version was the way to go. I don’t carry a gun nearly as much as I used to (job changes) but for the ways I carry - IWB front or IWB 9 o’clock - I am much more comfortable having the safety. Just my $0.02
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This is definitely an individual preference question and opinions will vary.
For me, I'm of the same opinion as your non-safety friend. The simpler the manual of arms, the better when the STUFF hits the fan - JMO.
That is one of the things I really like about my NON-SAFETY P365. The trigger exhibits a lot of the same long-travel "feel" of a good carry revolver - though since it is striker-fired, the trigger-pull is a bit lighter than most revolvers.
Whether it is carried IWB, OWB, or in a pocket, I always carry my P365 in a holster that fully covers the trigger guard.
So that seems like the best compromise to me - and we all know that the choice of CCW guns is always an exercise in compromise.
JMO and YMMV....
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I appreciate the safety comments, fellas.
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I did the same comparison two years ago. After carrying the P365 for a year, I shot the Hellcat and preferred the grip, trigger reach, trigger pull and sights of the latter. It also was more accurate for me @ 50 yards. Sold the P365 and have used the Hellcat since. About 1200 trouble free rounds through it at this point. I've found no difference in carrying the Hellcat in IWB or OWB... I don't pocket carry striker guns.
Both good guns.
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Yes - both guns are excellent and have been proven to be reliable and viable deep concealment SD guns! To me, the P365 and the Hellcat are pretty much twins from different mothers - lol. I pocket carry my P365 all the time - see the following.... A striker vs a hammer operated pistol are not much different as far as the release mechanism is concerned. Both employ sears and both are subject to accidental pulls and release. Both the Hellcat and P365 are striker fired pistols - so no difference there. That is precisely why after carrying my P365 for 3 years, I added a manual safety to the pistol - took 20 minutes. The parts are inexpensive and readily available - no gun smithing needed - drop in parts. Today I carry with the manual safety on and I feel a whole lot better about it. Each and every time I shoot the gun (and that's often) I always start the string off with the manual safety ON - this way I am "programmed" to always swipe it off before pulling the trigger. After carrying it over the last year WITH the manual safety, it gives me a bit more confidence no AD / ND will ever occur. Yes, I follow all the safety and common sense rules but the manual safety is a big plus to me.
Some are dead set against a manual safety and in the beginning I was as well, but that did change as I get older. The speed for the first shot that is lost due to swiping the safety off is a fraction of a fraction of a second - not enough to practically change outcome IMO. BTW, I NEVER carry ANY pistol or revolver without a holster that covers the entire trigger guard.
NOTE: Originally I was just going to make the cut out on my original polymer frame for the safety to go through, but then I opted to just buy a new frame that had the cut out in it. They are so inexpensive now plus I was not sure I'd like the manual safety - this way I could always just swap frames again to go back to the original configuration. Safety parts are drop in.
I prefer to have a safety on an autoloader. My 365 has the safety and I like the gun a great deal!!!!!
Well, pulled the proverbial trigger. Ordered online a P365X with manual safety and two 12 round mags.
I understand those mags are hard to fill, and I have a touch of arthritis in my hands. What's a good device to help with loading? Something that makes it easy.
I understand those mags are hard to fill, and I have a touch of arthritis in my hands. What's a good device to help with loading? Something that makes it easy.
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I don’t recall that much trouble loading the 12 round mag.
But the 17 rounder- I have 6 of them and I could only 15-16 rounds in them for first 3-4 loadings.
I use a UpLULA.
But the 17 rounder- I have 6 of them and I could only 15-16 rounds in them for first 3-4 loadings.
I use a UpLULA.
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P365 magazines are very hard to load to full capacity when new. But with an UpLULA loader it is very, very easy to load.
Uplula 9mm magazine loader, universal pistol magazine loader
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Omomea,
The Sig Magazines are difficult to load - I can testify to that. They are a lot of ammo in a small package - pretty much says it all. They will break in somewhat after loading a dozen or so times, but the last 3-5 rounds are tough.
EASY PEAZY SOLUTION: Get yourself a Uplula magazine loader! They run around $34 bucks and can be used for anything from .380 and up - regardless of brand. They work GREAT! You will rarely load another centerfire magazine by hand again.
HINT: Load the very first round in the magazine by hand, then use the loader for all the rest. This will alleviate any potential marks the metal tongue of the loader might impart on the nylon magazine follower. I don't like the marks even though they are pretty much cosmetic.
CONGRATS on the purchase!! I hope you love it! Send some pic's after you check it out.
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I'm sure many here are already familiar and own one of these, but for those who don't this is the best magazine loader you can get - IMHO.
Uplula 9mm magazine loader, universal pistol magazine loader
Uplula 9mm magazine loader, universal pistol magazine loader
I agree with the comments about the P365 magazines being difficult to fully load. There is one more magazine issue that gives me pause. A full magazine is difficult to lock into place if the slide is closed. So a so-called tactical reload is problematic. If the slide is locked back, of course there's no issue. Just be aware that a backup magazine isn't very useful unless you run the gun dry.
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Have also noticed that problem with fully loaded mags.
Thinking of only loading 16 rounds in backup magazines.
Thinking of only loading 16 rounds in backup magazines.
I have 2 365s. Both were manufactured in late 2019. Both have the manual safeties. One is my EDC and has over 2000 round thru it. Never a problem. The second is technically my wife’s. At first is shot low left, sent it back to Sig they replaced the barrel and put a new front sight on. The gun has fewer than 500 rounds thru it. Both guns are the TAC pacs that came with 3 12 round mags. I picked up 3 10 round mags also. So I started shooting her’s more, after a while I got a light hit thought it was an ammo problem. Took it out again and I got 3 light hits. Shot few different ammo manufactures. Lawman, Blazer brass and S&B. Mostly 124 gr fmjs. So I take it apart and the striker tip has a 45 degree angle on it.
Call Sig they say send it in, BUT now it’s over a year old and you have to pay 55.00 for shipping. I have a FFL dealer who could ship it but Sig wants him to call and set up a Return RMA address so I just send it in. While boxing it up I see the front Tritium insert has fell out. They say they will fix it. They did the replacement last June. I don’t know how 2 guns made a moth apart can be so different. Right now they are both on their way to sig, I figured that they better inspect my EDC and fix hers. I have only had one Gun maker make me pay for shipping and that was Les Baer.
As Far as Springfield Armory, I worked at a Gun store and sent a lot of their guns back for failures and other problems. They have been looking for a great pistol to market. Even the XD series is not their design. Nothing they make or have made impresses me. Just MY OPIOION.
I will not buy another Sig unless it is a hammer fired P series gun. Just look at the problems with the 320s. I can believe a lot of the ADS are shooter induced, but there are just too many to ignore, at least for me.
Call Sig they say send it in, BUT now it’s over a year old and you have to pay 55.00 for shipping. I have a FFL dealer who could ship it but Sig wants him to call and set up a Return RMA address so I just send it in. While boxing it up I see the front Tritium insert has fell out. They say they will fix it. They did the replacement last June. I don’t know how 2 guns made a moth apart can be so different. Right now they are both on their way to sig, I figured that they better inspect my EDC and fix hers. I have only had one Gun maker make me pay for shipping and that was Les Baer.
As Far as Springfield Armory, I worked at a Gun store and sent a lot of their guns back for failures and other problems. They have been looking for a great pistol to market. Even the XD series is not their design. Nothing they make or have made impresses me. Just MY OPIOION.
I will not buy another Sig unless it is a hammer fired P series gun. Just look at the problems with the 320s. I can believe a lot of the ADS are shooter induced, but there are just too many to ignore, at least for me.
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Not really true if done in the following manner. Instead of just throwing the mag in and just tapping it from the bottom, put it in and use your middle finger and thumb to "squeeze" the mag into place. It's really very easy and is not that much effort! Hey, the very small mag's hold 10, 12, or 17 rounds - they're tight.
I have a Sig P365, P320X, P320 Compact and Sig M-17. I shoot them regularly and they have been accurate and reliable. To me the triggers are better than other striker fired pistols.
Another vote for the Houge grip sleeve, the Uplula mag loader, and the Magguts conversion kits.
I carried various CCW guns over the last 65 years, ranging from 1911s, J,K,and N frames, and Kahrs. I was always looking for something better. When I picked up the 365, I quit looking.
It just felt right.
Loading the new magazines was tough but my Uplula took care of that and Magguts kits helped too.
The day I bought the gun I took it out in the pasture for my usual new gun test run.
I shot at cow turds scattered around me at various distances and hit every one. That little rascal shoots right up there with bigger and more expensive guns.
The grip sleeve and additional rounds in the mags just made it better.
Thirteen rounds pocket carry and 14 rounds in the spare is reassuring.
Like I said, I’ve quit looking.
I carried various CCW guns over the last 65 years, ranging from 1911s, J,K,and N frames, and Kahrs. I was always looking for something better. When I picked up the 365, I quit looking.
It just felt right.
Loading the new magazines was tough but my Uplula took care of that and Magguts kits helped too.
The day I bought the gun I took it out in the pasture for my usual new gun test run.
I shot at cow turds scattered around me at various distances and hit every one. That little rascal shoots right up there with bigger and more expensive guns.
The grip sleeve and additional rounds in the mags just made it better.
Thirteen rounds pocket carry and 14 rounds in the spare is reassuring.
Like I said, I’ve quit looking.
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