Thanks Chief, I will look into the Brownell's brushes. As brushes go, I have never been really satisfied with shotgun brushes. As a former trap shooter shooting 25K rounds a year, I found that standard brushes did not work for cleaning chambers and forcing cones. There was a great guy ( Roger F ) that used to show up at the larger trap shoots and State shoots that had his own chamber cleaning brush that he sold. Hard bronze about 4" long on a handle. Man, did that ever remove the plastic in the barrels. Roger passed way too young, but I think the 3 packs of Marlboros a day had something to do with it. I have one, and guard it with my life. It is just a better mouse trap.