Model 60 NY-1 No Dash questions

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One of my local shops has a Model 60 No dash stamped NY-1 in good shape. I have an affinity for no dash models from a historical standpoint, but something I read in the Smith standard catalog has got me scratching my head. It says in Rivas article that the NYPD purchased a non-cataloged Model 60-2 variant in 1987. Where do these non-dash guns fit in the timeline? Were they leftover frames that were already stamped 60, then updated to 60-2 specs to meet the contract deadlines? Were they just early guns that they pressed into service? Since they came out with the 60-1 in 1971 does that mean they had popular stainless steel snubby models floating around in Smith's vault for 16+ years? Does it still count as a no dash? The article also says that only a few NY-1 guns were in the AWP serial prefix like this one.

I used the search function with this topic and seem to be covered in any of the post that I read. I saw several marked 60–2 with only one no dash with nary a mention of it. This gun does have the human silhouette stamp to show that had been inspected for the engineering issues, and a spur hammer instead of the DAO bobbed version. Any model 60 or NY-1 experts want to chime in?
 
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NYPD Guns Page - Smith & Wesson Model 60 NY-1

Not having a dash is very normal for these. The dash 1 would have been a 3" gun. No dash guns were made for a long long time... I think the vast majority of them are no dash. Come to think of it I never saw or noticed a dash 1 3"?

Lots of them with the AWP serial prefix. I have three of them...

How much are they asking for it?

My guess is it was returned and had the hammer changed. I think they stamped the -2 at that time but have no way to prove it.

If the price was right I would buy it...
 
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The model 60 engineering change numbering system is confusing.

The model 60 was made from 1965 to 1988, through the change from pinned to unpinned barrels and the six-digit, R prefix and three-letter prefix SNs. It was replaced by the 60-3 in 1988.

Both the 3" pinned barrel 60-1 (1972) and the 2" Target sight 60-1 (1985) were made while the 60 was still being made, so they were concurrent variations. No confusion there :).

Member RM Vivas is the expert on the NY-1 revolvers, and member RichCapeCod was one of the NYPD officers involved in developing the NY-1 model and may also chime in. My guess (for what it's worth) is the 60-2 was given the different engineering change for the purposes of the DAO/spurless hammer/heavy mainspring NYPD contract. The SCSW states most were converted back to SA/DA and some to 3" barrels. I have never seen a 3" 60-2.
 
The dash 2 thing...

Were talking M60 NY-1 guns here just so were on the same page.

Anyhow the few that I have seen that were just marked M60 no dash at all, all were in the original configuration, DAO. The few I have seen with the -2 were converted to SA/DA.

Now with the M64 NY-1 gun most all that early guns were just stamped M 64 with no dash but they had what ever the current production revisions were at the time. So despite not having the dash number marked they were built to the dash configuration. The later M64 NY-1s had the dash included. These seem to be marked the later stamping method. I forget if it were dot or laser?

So the question on the M60 is what makes a -2, is the DAO a -2 even not marked?

My guess is the returned guns when made SA/DA were stamped with the the -2 at that time. I haven't enough examples to make a real claim of this just a theory?

RM says that there are other dash numbers too 7 or 9 (I forget) I've never seen one of them either?

A good topic for conversation I suppose.
 
That is exactly the info I wanted! The specialized knowledge of users on here never fails to impress me. The info is much clearer than the article presents it or even the standard catalog outlines the various engineering changes for the model 60. As I said this one has the spur hammer which is functional, so it must have been converted when it was sold out of police service.
I went back tonight to take a look at it, and it is now on GunBroker. No games...it was in a group of guns that just been taken in a few minutes before I walked in, not even priced or put in their books yet. Since it has a current bid, it's been pulled from the shelf for now. It may have been a consignment piece. I guess the question is should I try to win the auction or just throw my name on it so they call me if it doesn't sell at auction. Does the NY-1 heritage add that much value to no dash model 60? I'm thinking I'd pay $400 to $450 for a no dash without box or paperwork...unless I'm way off base.
 
Just a footnote. The AWP s/n prefix was also used for some of the CS-1 M686's made for the Custom Service. As well as some M64-3's mark NY-1. It's likely that prefix was reserved by S&W for LEO use only.
 
The NY-1 model 60s tend to bring a slight premium to LE collectors, so I would not be surprised if they want $500 or a little more for it. $400-450 would be a good deal for one in good condition, as that is the going rate for a non-NY-1.

The 60-5, -8 and 640-2 are/were by report also NYPD issue; I have never seen an example of the first two.
 
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