gnappi
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Taurus and Charter arms did it, why not a small 5 shot .45 Colt (NOT a Judge) from S&W?
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Was there a concealable S&W .45 Colt
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I am sure they would do it if they thought it was worth the R&D costs involved. I confess I wasn't even aware that Taurus and Charter HAD done it. A five shot .45 cylinder is still a fairly big chunk of metal.
Webley made a tiny five shot .455 revolver (or .45 "something") not much bigger than a J-Frame called a "Webley Bulldog". I posted a photo of mine some years back. If the firing pin wouldn't get stuck on the previously fired primer in DA, it'd be a great carry gun! (I think the hand is trying to advance the cylinder before the hammer retracts.)
ETA: found the photos in Post #27 of this old thread:
So......Who loves BIG BORE Snubbies?
ETA: found the photos in Post #27 of this old thread:
So......Who loves BIG BORE Snubbies?
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Smith & Wesson did produce a ~21 ounce, scandium framed, pug nosed Model 625. 103 of these were manufactured roughly 2 decades ago
I have carried mine, however you do need to consider how you are going to dress to conceal it
Taurus manufactured a quite extensive line of 5 shot big bore revolvers that were built on a frame roughly the same size as the Smith and Wesson L frame
These were offered in stainless steel, aluminum alloy frames, and what Taurus referred to as Total Titanium. The Total Titanium revolvers were introduced at the 1999 SHOT Show. The big bores were offered in 41 Magnum, 44 Special, 45 ACP and 45 Long Colt
This is my 2" Model 450T, chambered in 45 Long Colt. The finish is called Shadow Gray
I also own a pair of the 2 1/2" 41 Magnums. One is the 29 ounce Stainless Steel Model 415 while the other is the 19 ounce Model 415T.
My 415T is their standard Titanium finish
I believe that all of these were introduced at a bad time. The concealed carry wave that is currently sweeping our Country had not yet started yet and at that time the big push was for semi autos not revolvers.
Not to mention that the titanium and scandium revolvers were quite pricey when compared to their carbon steel or stainless steel counterparts.
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UncleEd
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I'd just consider the Model 69 with 2.75 inch barrel; load down a bit to get ..45 Colt ballistics.
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It would have required a bigger gun than the L frame (at the limit of safely handling the five round .44 Special 296/396/696 and the .44 Magnum model 69) and smaller than the N frame (six rounds). Taurus is/was more "agile" from that standpoint.
I 0wn a model 696, a model 69, a 296 and a 396. Being a big fan of the 45 colt and a known revolver modifier I have measured and measured and there is no way to crowd the 45 colt into an L frame Smith
Taurus and Charter Arms can do it using a slightly smaller cylinder than a N frame Smith because they use a smaller diameter ratchet than S&W. In order for S&W to use a smaller ratchet they would need to move the window for hand over, make a narrower trigger to move the hand over AND of course a narrower hammer so the hand cleared it.
Want a light easy to carry 45 colt? Do like I did and start model 325. Fit a new style ratchet to a new style 45 acp cylinder then ream the cylinder's acp chambers to 45 colt. Now the 45 colts will head space properly on the 45 colt ratchet and if you mill a bit off the tips of the stars arms you can still fire 45acps in the old style 1/2 moon clips.
a 325 snub
cylinder loaded with 45 colt
loaded with 45 acp in 1/2 moons
3 45colts and 3 45acps
Yes, I still have to original un molested cylinder
Taurus and Charter Arms can do it using a slightly smaller cylinder than a N frame Smith because they use a smaller diameter ratchet than S&W. In order for S&W to use a smaller ratchet they would need to move the window for hand over, make a narrower trigger to move the hand over AND of course a narrower hammer so the hand cleared it.
Want a light easy to carry 45 colt? Do like I did and start model 325. Fit a new style ratchet to a new style 45 acp cylinder then ream the cylinder's acp chambers to 45 colt. Now the 45 colts will head space properly on the 45 colt ratchet and if you mill a bit off the tips of the stars arms you can still fire 45acps in the old style 1/2 moon clips.
a 325 snub
cylinder loaded with 45 colt
loaded with 45 acp in 1/2 moons
3 45colts and 3 45acps
Yes, I still have to original un molested cylinder
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.455_Hunter
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This CA happens to be a 41 mag, but they also made it in 45 colt. i think both have been discontnued.
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fwiw,
paul
The .45 Colt variant is still listed on their website. Not sure on the .41 Mag.
Or you could just get an old fashioned vertical shoulder holster for this 8-3/8” 25-5
Just kidding!
Just kidding!
I’m lucky enough to have stumbled into a 325NG several years ago. I didn’t like the way the factory Pachmyers looked so I threw on some Ahrends combats.
That was a mistake. Recoil even with my midrange 200 grain SWC’s was unpleasant. It’s back to the Pach’s now.
I would not enjoy it AT ALL with any “hot” 45 Colt load. I haven’t even shot it with my 255gr SWC ACP load yet. The heavy SWC load is very pleasant in my 625-8.
Big bore snubs are very cool, but weight is your friend!
Also, I do have a Simply Rugged pancake holster for 3” N frames that carries this piece very well. It’s a bit thick on my hip, but it’s no problem to carry it all day.
That was a mistake. Recoil even with my midrange 200 grain SWC’s was unpleasant. It’s back to the Pach’s now.
I would not enjoy it AT ALL with any “hot” 45 Colt load. I haven’t even shot it with my 255gr SWC ACP load yet. The heavy SWC load is very pleasant in my 625-8.
Big bore snubs are very cool, but weight is your friend!
Also, I do have a Simply Rugged pancake holster for 3” N frames that carries this piece very well. It’s a bit thick on my hip, but it’s no problem to carry it all day.
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Forgive me my ignorance but isn't the .44spl pretty close to the .45LC ballistically?
StrawHat
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I would feel more comfortable “hot rodding” or buying spicy ammo for .45 Colt or .44 Special over .45 ACP. However, if .45 ACP +P from Buffalo Bore etc. is safe in your revolver then go for it!
StrawHat
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45 Super is another avenue to persue in later Model Numbered revolvers. I have used it in my Model 22-4s and Model 625-6. Not a continuous diet but enough to familiarize myself with it.
A couple of gunsmiths have converted it to the next longer ACP derivative (I forget the name).
Kevin
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I guess if I put some Pachy "Grippers" on this and a 2XXL Hawaiian shirt I could remain anymous in public. Heck, folks around here would probably hand over a dollar to the poor homeless guy in the loud shirt. Joe
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We had an Officer Involved Shooting (1990s) and the badguy was carrying a concealed four inch 25-5 that he had taken in a burglary.
Besides 1917s a lot of other large caliber revolvers had the barrels cut down by bubbas over the years.
It does depends on how you dress.
A while back I started a thread asking how does one conceal a large handgun and I got a lot of answers.
Related thread:
https://smith-wessonforum.com/conce...689000-change-edc.html?posted=1#post141596241
My thread:
https://smith-wessonforum.com/gun-l...guns-how.html?highlight=conceal+large+handgun
I liked the responses but I still find it difficult, if not downright uncomfortable, carrying a large handgun. Otherwise, I'd love to carry this M25-5 in .45 Colt:
However, carrying the CS-45 never was much of a problem and I might start carrying it again.
And I have carried this M6906 but it's been a long time!
My point, obviously, is that it definitely depends upon how you dress and I simply do not have the proper body nor do I generally dress in a way that anything large, cylinder or frame, is easily concealed.
Related thread:
https://smith-wessonforum.com/conce...689000-change-edc.html?posted=1#post141596241
My thread:
https://smith-wessonforum.com/gun-l...guns-how.html?highlight=conceal+large+handgun
I liked the responses but I still find it difficult, if not downright uncomfortable, carrying a large handgun. Otherwise, I'd love to carry this M25-5 in .45 Colt:
However, carrying the CS-45 never was much of a problem and I might start carrying it again.
And I have carried this M6906 but it's been a long time!
My point, obviously, is that it definitely depends upon how you dress and I simply do not have the proper body nor do I generally dress in a way that anything large, cylinder or frame, is easily concealed.
The recoil on the scandium framed big bores with heavy bullets is considerable.
But with this highly modified 1917, recoil is much easier to deal with.
45 colt cylinder cut for acp in moon clips, cut down 1950 barrel, cut down grip frame and milled for adj rear sight
The original serial number is still attached
Yes, the 44 special and the 45acp are ballistically similar and the 45 super is an option, but it you want to launch a heavy slug with a big frontal area, the 45 colt is the king.
Another option is to ream a 45acp cylinder deep enough to chamber DOWNLOADED 45 win mags. A cylinder set up to fire 45 colts and 45acp in moon clips is able to do just that BTW. I would not be willing to try it with factory 45 win mag ammo at 40,000psi however. But it is possible to launch a 260 gr slug at 1,1000fps using those cases in revolver. But, I have never done it in using the modified 325 as the recoil would be brutal IMHO
But with this highly modified 1917, recoil is much easier to deal with.
45 colt cylinder cut for acp in moon clips, cut down 1950 barrel, cut down grip frame and milled for adj rear sight
The original serial number is still attached
Yes, the 44 special and the 45acp are ballistically similar and the 45 super is an option, but it you want to launch a heavy slug with a big frontal area, the 45 colt is the king.
Another option is to ream a 45acp cylinder deep enough to chamber DOWNLOADED 45 win mags. A cylinder set up to fire 45 colts and 45acp in moon clips is able to do just that BTW. I would not be willing to try it with factory 45 win mag ammo at 40,000psi however. But it is possible to launch a 260 gr slug at 1,1000fps using those cases in revolver. But, I have never done it in using the modified 325 as the recoil would be brutal IMHO
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