model 28 conversion

6string said:

ReamerRentals.com has the 357 B&D reamer available for $39.

The plastic sleeve thing was for a completely different concept. That one involved a 44 mag cylinder fit to a 357. The sleeve filled the chamber space. G&A magazine did a cover story back in 70s or early 80s.

When done right, the 357 B&D is actually quite good, especially if done with a matching die set. Everything is to close tolerance and the long range accuracy is really good!
One big advantage over the 357 maximum, is you get it in a very reasonable sized package that's easier to carry and shoot off hand than a huge Ruger SRM or Dan Wesson.

As another person posted, it's at it's best with heavier bullets.

I hope you give it a try!

Jim

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I am thinking about it. I would have the work professionally done pf course. I need to check into that and the cost. Right now this is a " I wonder if" type thing. I have 3 very fine 28's. I am not sure I would do it with one of them

Pete, if you decide to do this, find you another model 28 or model 27 cylinder to do the mods to and leave the original cylinder alone. That way if you don't like the way it turns out you still have the original cylinder ready to put back in the gun.

muddocktor said:

Pete, if you decide to do this, find you another model 28 or model 27 cylinder to do the mods to and leave the original cylinder alone. That way if you don't like the way it turns out you still have the original cylinder ready to put back in the gun.

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Oh I would do that for sure. I have 2 1968 4", and a 1970 6", all fine examples. I would never mess them up

Narragansett said:

I do not think what you are worried about would be possible. I cannot see how the 44 would chamber in a bottleneck charge hole

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In the 357 Bobcat , the cylinder in that conversion is chambered out to a full 44Magnum dimension. Then the small plastic sleeves are placed onto the individual bottlenecked 357-44Mag necked down cases to make them take up the space of that 44Magnum chamber.
The bbl is 357cal of course.

The 357 Bobcat will accept a 44Mag/44Spl round in the cyl as it is,,and you have a 357cal bbl on the gun in front of it.
No one doing a conversion to the caliber necessarily follows up with a caliber designation change on the bbl or frame.
Got to pay attention..

The Bain & Davis version has the chamber cut to the bottleneck dimension of the reformed case. So a 44Mag or 44Sp case will not fit into the B&D chamber.

The idea of using the plastic sleeve on each cartridge in the Bobcat version was to avoid them setting back and jamming the action up.

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I just stick with a .357Magnum,,or a 44spcl myself and the problems end right there. But for those who have the need for speed,,this was one way to that end.

I have a few model 28s and have been thinking of making a Bain and Davis. I would use a spare cylinder. They are not hard to come by and usually not that hard to fit to the gun. This would be a case of fit to the gun. I would rent the reamer. Do I need one? No, but whats need got to do with it, it is interesting. Hey, my 22 Jet works. What I would really like to try is a shortened bottle neck case made form a 30-30. Kind of a short 357 Herret. But a blank N frame cylinder is not going to be easy to come up with. I have been playing with the idea of making one. Lot of precise work. I could use an stock star. Start with Heat treated 4140 round stock and

steelslaver said:

I have a few model 28s and have been thinking of making a Bain and Davis. I would use a spare cylinder. They are not hard to come by and usually not that hard to fir to the gun. This would be a case of fit to the gun. I would rent the reamer. do I need one, no, but whats need got to do with it it is interesting. Hey my 22 Jet works. Whzt I would really like to try is a shortened bottle neck case made form a 30-30. Kind of a short 357 Herret. But a blank N frame cylinder is not going to be easy to come up with. I have been playing with the idea of making one. Lot of precise work. I could use an stork star. Startt with Heat treated 4140 round stock and

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I do not have the skill or tooling to do that type of work

steelslaver said:

I have a few model 28s and have been thinking of making a Bain and Davis. I would use a spare cylinder. They are not hard to come by and usually not that hard to fit to the gun. This would be a case of fit to the gun. I would rent the reamer. Do I need one? No, but whats need got to do with it, it is interesting. Hey, my 22 Jet works. What I would really like to try is a shortened bottle neck case made form a 30-30. Kind of a short 357 Herret. But a blank N frame cylinder is not going to be easy to come up with. I have been playing with the idea of making one. Lot of precise work. I could use an stock star. Start with Heat treated 4140 round stock and

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Dang and double dang........Steel ya got me to thinkin.

And that means spending money....

That 30-30 case shortened up with a .357 bullet topping it off.

I's got an old Super Blackhawk around here sumwheres....

Dig around in the barrel bin for a long 357 barrel.



Pull out some 4140 round stock and cobble up a cylinder the length of the old 357 Maxinum....

Maybe re-barrel a '94 to accommodate this here wildcat.

This'ns gonna be fun.

Thanks for starting this thread Narragansett






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You could do the 357 0n a 30-30 case. Like a short 357 Herret. The Longest possible cylinder would of course be best. I kind of want to do something using a .308 bullet. Except for the odd 30 carbine Ruger you never see a 30 cal. hand gun with any power.

Here is what I am thinking so far. Turn the stock to N cylinder OD. Drill and ream the center out of it. Turn an old N frame cylinder down and "harvest" the center piece that aligns the star and the back of the yoke rides against and shrink fit that into the new cylinder. Save broaching in the little tooth that keeps the ejector from turning when ejecting. Then I could fit an spare 357 star to new piece. Drill and ream pilot chambers on my mill using index able rotary table to hit every 60 degrees. Make a dummy barrel and a alignment tool. Install cylinder and dummy barrel in a frame. Then using dummy barrel and alignment tool align each chamber pilot hole and Use a modified cylinder stop to mark each chamber spot for its notch. Plus, I would set my rotary table up so its jaws were horizontal and use a keyway cutter to make the stop notches every 60 degrees using chambers and marks I made to cut slots using a dial indicator to check depth by how much I move table while cutting. Ream to wildcat chamber using custom reamer which you can order made up from Clymers.

I would use 4140 that is already heat treated to yield strength. It is still very machinable after HT and then no worries about distortion after HT. You can order it online, but, industrial B16 stud material is the same alloy and HT and next time I am in a refinery I will just scrounge some 1 1/2 B16 studs. I am sure this will test my patience and abilities.

So many projects, so little time. Well there is time, but once you take away honey does, the odd actual job, now and again, hunting, fishing, camping, napping and stuff its hard to do everything a guy would like to do. At 67 it bugs me that I probably only got another 20 to 30 years to get it all done. Right now I have an XP100 with the barrel removed so I can cut down and install a spare Mohawk 600 6mm barrel on it. It was a 7mm BR. But, I have enough calibers and already reload for my 6mm rifles. I bet this one will wake up everyone on the firing line.

I made the only 44 AutoMag revolver that I know of. Made the brass out of .308 rifle and modified .45 Auto moon clips to hold the brass. It works well, but the brass was a bear to make. That was around 30 years ago. Now you can buy the brass from Starline.

Tell us more. Was this made out of a model 29? I take it you had to turn the case mouths to accept a .429 bullet.

I have both a banshee and a 357x44. The banshee case is the same as a B&D but uses a plastic collar to make it one diameter. There is a ledge of about 3/16 of 357 diameter at the end of the chamber. Mine will not chamber a 44 mag. case completely, leaving about 2 rim thickness sticking out you might get a flush wadcutter to go. The B&D is tapered to 357 at the end of the cylinder so a 44 mag will not chamber. I have to remember how to post pictures again and I will post pics of both. Both cylinders are standard 27 or 28 length.