Please 'splain. My FS, Compact and Shield all take down the same way.
I understand the .22 is different, but the others?
LGS won't show take down on a gun?
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Please 'splain. My FS, Compact and Shield all take down the same way.
I understand the .22 is different, but the others?
The Long’s Drugs on West Colorado in Co Springs had a policy that on their SAA Colt’s Pistols you couldn’t work the cylinder or cock the hammer. Their rationale was if you laid out 1000 bucks for a Colt’s you deserved a pristine gun.
The guy that used to own High Country Motorcycle Shop used to charge 5 bucks if you dry fired one of his weapons. His rationale was he was a *******.
I dr
pped a Shield on the flr at Family Firearms Sales of Co Springs. The counter girl was like " meh, we have carpet for a reason."
The guy that used to own High Country Motorcycle Shop used to charge 5 bucks if you dry fired one of his weapons. His rationale was he was a *******.
I dr
pped a Shield on the flr at Family Firearms Sales of Co Springs. The counter girl was like " meh, we have carpet for a reason."
I found a Colt saa in a GM several years ago.Brand new with a turn line from all the mishandling.They wanted $1495 with no discount [emoji32].I didn't buy it.
The nib one I bought for $1200,I had shipped there
The nib one I bought for $1200,I had shipped there
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Okay, maybe a little more specific on my take down statements. Most of you know the take down for the Shield. The M&P .22 (FS), with the slide closed, you rotate the take down lever, pull it out, slide the slide back, lift it up and let it slide forward.
For the M&P .22C, you lock the slide back, rotate the take down lever, pull the slide slightly further back and lift up and let it slide forward.
I hadn't seen any of the video's from S&W, I guess I was so used to independent reviews on YouTube.
Over all, while there are some differing opinions on whether a LGS should allow take down on new guns or display models, it does sound like most people do not feel like a gun being taken down would be considered used, just because it's been field stripped. I may have, also, been a little harsh towards the salesman, whom I'm told is the owner, but his tone was pretty gruff. Even my son, who was with me, commented on it when we walked out.
<shrug> I was one of those guys, yesterday, that wasn't intending to actually buy, the first time I went in there. I just wanted to put hands on. Once I did, I wanted to buy it so we left, I spoke to the wife, we talked about it, I wanted it, went back, had a bad experience, left and now I'm looking somewhere else.
For the M&P .22C, you lock the slide back, rotate the take down lever, pull the slide slightly further back and lift up and let it slide forward.
I hadn't seen any of the video's from S&W, I guess I was so used to independent reviews on YouTube.
Over all, while there are some differing opinions on whether a LGS should allow take down on new guns or display models, it does sound like most people do not feel like a gun being taken down would be considered used, just because it's been field stripped. I may have, also, been a little harsh towards the salesman, whom I'm told is the owner, but his tone was pretty gruff. Even my son, who was with me, commented on it when we walked out.
<shrug> I was one of those guys, yesterday, that wasn't intending to actually buy, the first time I went in there. I just wanted to put hands on. Once I did, I wanted to buy it so we left, I spoke to the wife, we talked about it, I wanted it, went back, had a bad experience, left and now I'm looking somewhere else.
Tron; Good luck and happy hunting..... the M&P compact .22 has sparked my interest............................
LimaCharlie
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I buy guns from a couple of small locally owned gun shops. Their policy is if you buy the new gun, we will show you how to field strip it. You can bring it back after you buy it and we will show you again how to field strip it. If it is a used gun, their gunsmith has already checked the gun out to my satisfaction. If there is a problem, they fix it or return your money.
I also go to a big box store that only sells new guns with several sales clerks. I have seen display guns dropped. I have seen people spin cylinders on revolvers and flip them shut. I have seen clerks fumble with field stripping guns and need someone else to show them how to reassemble. I have seen people dry firing rim-fire guns. I have seen turn rings on new revolvers. I have seen people repeatedly drop the slide on an empty chamber on semi-autos. I have seen idiot scratches on 1911s. Some of their display guns look worse than guns I have carried for a year or more.
I also go to a big box store that only sells new guns with several sales clerks. I have seen display guns dropped. I have seen people spin cylinders on revolvers and flip them shut. I have seen clerks fumble with field stripping guns and need someone else to show them how to reassemble. I have seen people dry firing rim-fire guns. I have seen turn rings on new revolvers. I have seen people repeatedly drop the slide on an empty chamber on semi-autos. I have seen idiot scratches on 1911s. Some of their display guns look worse than guns I have carried for a year or more.
Add in your FFL fee and shipping and where are you now price wise?
If you allow customers to take down guns then they will occupy much time at the counter doing that. I don't want to follow behind one of these guys and purchase something they had been fooling with.... I have seen Glocks locked up, springs fly through the air and my local Sportsman still has a Ruger 22 in the back room they can't get back together after a customer took it down. New means new and there is no reason to do a take down on a new gun. Buy it, take it home and have at it.
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Well I learn somthing new every day. In all my (mumble) decades of gun store patronage , it never occured to me to ask for a field stripping lesson on a gun I wasn't buying.
If I buy it , and am not familar , I will ask for dissamembly demonstration.
On used gun that I am familar with , I will disasemble sufficent to judge the usual wear locations.
If I buy it , and am not familar , I will ask for dissamembly demonstration.
On used gun that I am familar with , I will disasemble sufficent to judge the usual wear locations.
Rastoff
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Me too. I can only remember one time I asked and it was on the Sig 1911-22. I asked if it field stripped the same as a regular 1911. I was told that it did (which is WRONG!!!), but never actually shown. I still like that gun.
The problem is that there are tons of guys who aren't like us. They will walk in a store with no intention of buying and want to play with everything in the case. Some are testing the product before they buy it on line and some are really just playing. All of those are detrimental to businesses.
N4KVE
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And many of them are killing an hour while their wives are at the beauty salon next door. GARY
ABSOLUTLY NOT!!
It doesn't make it "used" as in fired or transferred, but any scratches / damage could easily make it less appealing to a real customer. I always ask for one that is new in the box, unopened, if one is available.
Shooting Padre
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The Ruger can be a pain in the tail. However, most every gun dealer I've done business with has shown me how to take down a gun when asked. I even had to put one back together once as the dealer couldn't seem to get it. I understand the reluctance to scratch or otherwise compromise a new gun. I guess it's just how helpful they want to be. When I looked at a new pickup the dealer wouldn't take it apart either. I didn't buy it.
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I will gladly fondle a reasonable number of firearms per visit. On those models with an external hammer will test the trigger pull without actually dropping the hammer. But expecting a field strip on a new pistol ( not yet purchased ) is above and beyond.
No it doesn't make a new pistol into a used pistol , but I understand why a dealer would care to do so routinely.
( Once I've committed ) if a dealer has multiple examples of somthing I'll want to check each one for closest b/c gap , and smoothest trigger. Once or twice I even pulled out a range rod once I was serious.
For that matter I prefer to buy used , even if it is a model still in production. I have confidence in my evaluation skills , and I'm happy for someone else to have broken it in on their dime. Worst case scenario was having to replace a recoil spring that proved too weak. And that was balanced out by a brand new special order PC revolver that had a mainspring lighter than I cared for.
No it doesn't make a new pistol into a used pistol , but I understand why a dealer would care to do so routinely.
( Once I've committed ) if a dealer has multiple examples of somthing I'll want to check each one for closest b/c gap , and smoothest trigger. Once or twice I even pulled out a range rod once I was serious.
For that matter I prefer to buy used , even if it is a model still in production. I have confidence in my evaluation skills , and I'm happy for someone else to have broken it in on their dime. Worst case scenario was having to replace a recoil spring that proved too weak. And that was balanced out by a brand new special order PC revolver that had a mainspring lighter than I cared for.
Rastoff
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You probably won't like this answer, but here goes...it may.
If the gun can be field stripped without leaving a mark, the gun is still new. However, put a scratch on it and the gun moves to the used category. That's how I see it.
Ranger17
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well I for one have had my opinions on this changed from following this thread; i now get it that being able to take down a new gun in most instances doesnt make sense and isnt likely to be an option. But as still a newb learning the ropes, guess if i'm not familiar with a new gun model I want to purchase and wont have friends/family around to lend a hand if needed, i'd just try to find a used model (perhaps at same lgs) that can be gone thru (or one of their staff may already cc what i'm looking at). After all, i may not want to buy something i'm not comfortable with on how its internals work. As I gain more experience, that should become less likely over time.
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As I already stated Buds and Grabagun offer free or almost free shipping. And I've never paid more for shipping and FFL fees combined than what tax alone at the LGS costs me.
As far as new means new, two new guns ive bought, a Kahr and a Springfield I would not have purchased if I had taken the slides off first. The Kahr had a damaged takedown pin that I had to replace before I could safely shoot it and the Springfield had a damaged/defective RSA. Both cost me time and money up front before I could even shoot them. So new doesn't mean anything.
The irony is that the guns you are gonna run into that require unusually complicated, risky or nonstandard takedown (which, presumably, you might want or need to understand before making a decision to buy) are exactly the same guns that your everyday part-time gun shop salesperson would be most hesitant to want to mess with, or allow you to mess with, whether brand new or used... especially if "used" means something that another shop customer left there on "consignment."
But I will say this: If I honestly thought I needed a takedown demo before making a buying decision... and there were no videos available on-line... I would go out of my way to find a shop that would be willing to do that for me, one way or another. The situation has never come up yet in the nearly 40 years that I've been collecting and shooting, but I suppose you never know.
