LGS won't show take down on a gun?

[Trons]

I was intending to buy it that day. I had left, after the first encounter, to shop around a bit and think. I had my son with me. We made arrangements to meet up with my wife for lunch and when we were on our way, we were close to the LGS and I was curious about the take down, so I swung in, and had that encounter. Had it not gone like that, I was going to have lunch, run home, get my FS and go back. I wanted my FS with me because if they offered me a decent trade I would take it. If not, then I'd buy the compact, and sell the FS to somebody else.

After having lunch with my wife, my son and I went shopping and found it at another dealer. The deal sounded fair, but again, I didn't have the FS with me because we live in the country and I hadn't run home to get it. I was going to do that, but they were closing in 20 minutes and no way I could have made it home and back. This was on Saturday, they were closed Sunday and Monday and I've been working ever since.

I understand not wanting to condemn another party without hearing their side. I'm not looking to black list the LGS which is one main reason I'm not posting their name. I was just asking if taking down a pistol makes it used. It seems the consensus, regardless of other factors, is, on a gun like an M&P where we're not talking about a good chance of losing or damaging parts, seems to be that it does not.

 

[N4KVE]

Stripping a gun doesn't make it used. Neither does firing a round, because the factory test fires a gun, but it's still sold as new. Writing the serial # on a 4473, & walking out the door after payment makes it used. However, stripping a gun that's unsold could cause a blem, & that's what we try to avoid. GARY

 

[GWK4667]

While the Mark I, II, III guns are notoriously difficult to field strip, they're not that hard. If the instructions in the manual are followed, it's fairly easy. If you're like most guys and deign to read the manual, it's easy to get wrong. Still, if it were my store, I'd take it down for you.


Many comments have been made like, "I'd never shop in that store!" Y'all have no clue what it takes to run a gun store.

Here's why gun stores won't allow a customer to field strip a gun:

Would you buy a gun with this scratch on it? No, you wouldn't. Or you'd ask for a discount. If a customer put a scratch on it, the store just lost pretty much all their profit on that gun.

You see, gun stores make very little on guns. Most stores make their money on accessories. So, before you bash a store for a particular policy, understand what the consequences are of what you're asking.

I will spend 10% more at a LGS than online as I want to have them in business the next time I need them. But I do limit it to 10% as I will not be held up!

 

[dlay]

I wouldnt buy one that I knew had been taken down and shown and gotten scratched, why would you want to take it down, its all over utube. This thread has ran too long.

 

[Mountain Walker]

Lord! I didn't read all the responses, but this is quite common among dealers. While it would be nice to see it done, the shop owners have to establish a policy to protect themselves from incorrectly assembled guns and mischief that may follow. This is the age of computers and we can view a video on that very subject or go to the manufactures web site to download the manual and look there.

 

[TTSH]

By sheer coincidence, yesterday I ended up standing in line at MA's busiest gun shop for what seemed like hours while the guy in front of me played with, field stripped and inspected the internals on three identical used guns before he up and left without buying any of them. I would have laughed out loud given the coincidence of this mega-thread except that I was running very late and I think steam was coming out my ears as the wait went on seemingly forever... so much so that the shop owner finally came out from the back room and stepped in to handle my business (picking up an ordered gun) personally.

I do wish to repeat that they were used guns... but it appeared to me that the curious customer was more of a show-off than a serious buyer. The shop clerk handling the guy seemed to know that too from my observations... but he didn't stop the guy from taking all of those guns apart. He was as patient and polite as they get. I was impressed.

I had to wonder afterwards if the curious customer was just doing a little research... perhaps regarding a problem he was having with his own gun? That would have explained why none of the used guns seemed to meet his acceptability criteria.

This thread also reminded me of another time at a different, much smaller shop where they were running a one-day closeout sale on a particular brand new imported .22 rifle. Me and another guy were there buying the last two rifles the shop had. I opened the box, took a quick look and said SOLD! The other guy literally took the gun entirely apart with tools before buying as they were doing my paperwork!

It was pretty clear that he was there to actually buy that rifle (it was a great deal) and that he was a customer well-known to the shop. Otherwise, that would have been one pretty darn weird situation!

 

[turbo38gn]

I find it predictable and almost comical what posters will say here when confronted with reality and unagreeable responses...

 

[hangnoose]

#122, "FIRING A GUN DOESN'T MAKE IT USED?"

That would be the definition of used! ANYTHING other than LNIB is just that whether it's a scratch/ turn line/ scope mounted, etc. it is NO LONGER LNIB. A turn line on a vintage revolver that had none previously, did some damage to the sale value, BUT the vendor should have had it zip tied/ never allowed it to be pawed at/ or instructed & explained the deal. I'm sure both parties learned a lesson that day. The sweat/oils in certain peoples skin can be acidic & damage bluing if not wiped down quickly. Some of my most used lines at gun shows are: "see with you eyes, not your hands", "that's why it's called a gun SHOW, not a gun fondle", "if you want to fondle go to a LGS". YES I will stereotype/ profile and judge a book by it's cover when deciding just who I let "handle" my wares. If that upsets you, so sorry. Has it cost me a sale or 2, likely. After dealing all day with Lookie Lou's that have no money or intention of buying, my patience can get thin. I can fully see why many people chain/zip tie guns down on the table. Would asking people to use some hand sanitizer & wear these white gloves be out of line?

 

[Rastoff]

I do wish to repeat that they were used guns... but it appeared to me that the curious customer was more of a show-off than a serious buyer. The shop clerk handling the guy seemed to know that too from my observations... but he didn't stop the guy from taking all of those guns apart. He was as patient and polite as they get. I was impressed.

Take note of this clerk. These are especially rare these days and worth a little extra coin to have. I would pay 10% more to get a gun from stores with clerks like this.

Stripping a gun doesn't make it used. Neither does firing a round, because the factory test fires a gun, but it's still sold as new.

That would be the definition of used!

Nope, not the definition of used. Every new gun has a few rounds fired at the factory. So, a new gun that was test fired at the factory is still new.

The sweat/oils in certain peoples skin can be acidic & damage bluing if not wiped down quickly.

Something most people don't realize is that everyone's sweat/oils are acidic. Further, corrosion starts immediately. So, if a gun is going to rust from someone touching it, it starts as soon as the corrosive agent gets on the gun. This is why guns have some kind of treatment like bluing or stainless steel. That coating protects the finish from handling. Still, the gun needs to be wiped down.

I have to admit, I wouldn't be a good gun store owner. People handling the guns would bother me. I know it's part of the business, but it would bother me. This is why you won't find me at a gun show or as a store owner.

 

[eyegots2no]

By sheer coincidence, yesterday I ended up standing in line at MA's busiest gun shop for what seemed like hours while the guy in front of me played with, field stripped and inspected the internals on three identical used guns before he up and left without buying any of them. I would have laughed out loud given the coincidence of this mega-thread except that I was running very late and I think steam was coming out my ears as the wait went on seemingly forever... so much so that the shop owner finally came out from the back room and stepped in to handle my business (picking up an ordered gun) personally.

I do wish to repeat that they were used guns... but it appeared to me that the curious customer was more of a show-off than a serious buyer. The shop clerk handling the guy seemed to know that too from my observations... but he didn't stop the guy from taking all of those guns apart. He was as patient and polite as they get. I was impressed.

I had to wonder afterwards if the curious customer was just doing a little research... perhaps regarding a problem he was having with his own gun? That would have explained why none of the used guns seemed to meet his acceptability criteria.

This thread also reminded me of another time at a different, much smaller shop where they were running a one-day closeout sale on a particular brand new imported .22 rifle. Me and another guy were there buying the last two rifles the shop had. I opened the box, took a quick look and said SOLD! The other guy literally took the gun entirely apart with tools before buying as they were doing my paperwork!

It was pretty clear that he was there to actually buy that rifle (it was a great deal) and that he was a customer well-known to the shop. Otherwise, that would have been one pretty darn weird situation!

....O.....M........G!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[hangnoose]

FIRED!

Any gun fired AFTER it leaves the factory is a USED gun! I can't believe anyone could possibly think otherwise.

 

[sgmann69]

Please end this thread!!!!!

 

[MichiganScott]

Please end this thread!!!!!

I'm out of popcorn and it's losing it's entertainment value.

 

[GWK4667]

I'm out of popcorn and it's losing it's entertainment value.

Quit crying - - - un subscribe if you don't want to watch this thread anymore!

I know all leftist want to force their will on everyone but I did not know the leftist were on a site like this!

 

[hangnoose]

YEAH THE HORSE IS DEAD

BUT EXACTLY who is FORCING anyone to read em?

 

[Trons]

It's like a train wreck. I just can't look away.

 

[Saudade]

Well then stop posting...

OOPS!!

 

[A.O.]

Please end this thread!!!!!

 

[A.O.]

 

[tonesurfer]

So...
When you look at the insides, what is that gonna do for you??? What are you gonna learn? What do you know about the insides?

Well since this is the S&W forum, you can easily identify with a field strip:

* If your gun has the new twist barrel - look for the milling dimple on the locking lug of the barrel
* If your gun has the new H stamp trigger bar
* If your gun has the new slide stop

Why would you want to look? Because S&W is still putting old parts in brand new guns.

If you buy without looking your taking a **** shoot at what you are gonna get.

PS: I passed on two gun show purchases because they would not field strip. Found what I wanted at a LGS who had no problems letting me monkey finger it.