LGS won't show take down on a gun?
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I'm sure he would show you the take down, after you buy the gun
Correct, I mainly wanted to see the take down procedure to see how it compared to the FS M&P .22 and the Shield. Having said that, the purpose of this thread was to see if doing a field strip turned a new gun into a used gun, as the LGS claimed
N4KVE
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Those are not old parts, as they are still new, & unused. They may be an older design, but still unused. [new] What should they do, throw them away? No, they still install them in their new guns until the supply is used up. As long as there is no safety defect with the older design parts, there is no reason to throw them out. Many companies state in their warranty that if their product was built last year, but if currently built products use different parts, they are not required to update the parts in the older product unless there is a safety issue. GARY
AR-Getsome
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I purchased a new twist 9mm barrel. There is no dimple on my barrel. Comparing the older twist in barrel to the new twist, I could see the difference. I thought I was sent the wrong . barrel. So there are newer twist barrels with and without dimples.
Rastoff
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Sorry tonesurfer, but you've got some bad info here.
The dimples are to denote which machine they were made on, not the twist rate.
Nope but i do pop the hood
N4KVE
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Popping the hood on a car, is like opening the box on a new gun. Nothing more. Guys, many of you need to work a few gun shows. You wouldn't believe how many morons we have to deal with. While many people are nice, many have no intention of buying a gun, ask stupid questions, & are there to spend the day in fantasy land for $10. Then go home & thrill themselves. Much cheaper than a strip club. My boss would literally throw anybody out of his store who wanted to strip a gun before purchase. 1 dry fire is OK, but 2 & you're gone. And then these same morons ask for a price, & when we give it to them, for some reason, they want us to pay the sales tax on their purchase. Do they say that at the checkout line at Walmart, or when they buy a new laptop, or I Phone, or purchase a new car? We are a licensed business, & just like any retailer are obliged to collect sales tax, or pay serious fines. At any time, the state can come to the store, ask to see all our 4473's, & then ask to match them up to the sales receipts showing sales tax was collected on all of them. Over the years my boss has made more money than God, has a new Vette, a Ford Raptor, & big boats too. So any time you think a gun sales person is rude, just work his side of the counter for a week. I know it sure changed my outlook on things. GARY
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QB Too
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There are certainly many different opinions but I'll give my point of view. (it's the same as some of them posted already). Not saying who is right and who is wrong, just my personal feelings.
I believe "NEW" means never been sold retail. With that said, the "condition" of a NEW gun can certainly vary based on how the retailer/distributor allows the gun to be "handled". Some dealers on the internet specify that the gun is "on display/handled" in their store and others don't. Some dealers who work gun shows go from show to show displaying the guns, packing them up, displaying the guns, packing them up......so they are "handled" significantly at times. Some dealers let customers "handle" the gun and it appears some even let customers field strip. It also appears some shops may have put a few rounds through the gun. Regardless, if no previous retail sale, the gun is NEW.
I, for one, will NOT buy a "NEW" gun that has been field stripped or shot outside of the factory test by employees/customers. I've seen posts of too many re-assemblies "gone wrong" and the resulting parts that have been damaged or re-installed improperly. I won't even buy a "NEW" gun if it's been handled excessively, there are usually others I can find that have not been displayed or used as "demos" for customers/employees.
I actually STOPPED purchasing guns from a dealer because one day I was there to pick up an order and they had an employee opening a bunch of guns that had just come in and he was racking slides, dry firing, basically giving them a workout....and he was none too careful. Some were expensive semi-custom guns like Wilson and Ed Brown. But I don't care if the gun was a $200 or a $4000 gun, I don't want anyone messing with my new guns. These were guns customers special ordered and paid for so I was shocked by the way they were being played with by the employee. I saw him also do this with guns they had in stock, sitting on the shelf.
Have I ever bought guns that have been "handled" by employees and/or customers......probably, but certainly not if I knew it. I know, I really have no way of knowing if my "new" gun was handled or field stripped ......but if I KNOW that a certain dealer lets other people field strip new guns, shoot them (even if 1 round), etc. then I won't shop there.
Like I said, no wrong or right answer....each to their own. It gets muddy when you are talking about the gun being "new, not previously sold to a retail buyer" and "new condition" (whatever that means to someone.......and trust me, it varies).
Just like the dealer in question........some will NOT buy from him while others would. I'm with the crowd that doesn't want to buy a "new" gun that has been field stripped by someone else.
I believe "NEW" means never been sold retail. With that said, the "condition" of a NEW gun can certainly vary based on how the retailer/distributor allows the gun to be "handled". Some dealers on the internet specify that the gun is "on display/handled" in their store and others don't. Some dealers who work gun shows go from show to show displaying the guns, packing them up, displaying the guns, packing them up......so they are "handled" significantly at times. Some dealers let customers "handle" the gun and it appears some even let customers field strip. It also appears some shops may have put a few rounds through the gun. Regardless, if no previous retail sale, the gun is NEW.
I, for one, will NOT buy a "NEW" gun that has been field stripped or shot outside of the factory test by employees/customers. I've seen posts of too many re-assemblies "gone wrong" and the resulting parts that have been damaged or re-installed improperly. I won't even buy a "NEW" gun if it's been handled excessively, there are usually others I can find that have not been displayed or used as "demos" for customers/employees.
I actually STOPPED purchasing guns from a dealer because one day I was there to pick up an order and they had an employee opening a bunch of guns that had just come in and he was racking slides, dry firing, basically giving them a workout....and he was none too careful. Some were expensive semi-custom guns like Wilson and Ed Brown. But I don't care if the gun was a $200 or a $4000 gun, I don't want anyone messing with my new guns. These were guns customers special ordered and paid for so I was shocked by the way they were being played with by the employee. I saw him also do this with guns they had in stock, sitting on the shelf.
Have I ever bought guns that have been "handled" by employees and/or customers......probably, but certainly not if I knew it. I know, I really have no way of knowing if my "new" gun was handled or field stripped ......but if I KNOW that a certain dealer lets other people field strip new guns, shoot them (even if 1 round), etc. then I won't shop there.
Like I said, no wrong or right answer....each to their own. It gets muddy when you are talking about the gun being "new, not previously sold to a retail buyer" and "new condition" (whatever that means to someone.......and trust me, it varies).
Just like the dealer in question........some will NOT buy from him while others would. I'm with the crowd that doesn't want to buy a "new" gun that has been field stripped by someone else.
Wow, what's the name of the store so I can make sure to avoid it?
And I worked the business side of a gun counter for years, was the top seller the whole time I was there.. disassembled lots of guns for lots of customers... maybe that's why I sold so many!!!
tonesurfer
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S&W can do what they want with the old parts. But if you are looking for a gun that has the "new design" you should be able to examine a gun and make that determination so you know what you are paying for.
That "mark" got me a stainless steel series 80 Colt Gold Cup LNIB (or whatever the correct name is) with box and all the docs for $800 out the door in a private transaction.
It took about 2 minutes with 600 grit paper. a little water, and a buff or two with Scotch Brite to eliminate the scratch. Now you see my happy face
.On Ruger 22 LR pistols, get the pistol back together except for the latch thingy, squeeze the trigger, make sure the hammer goes forward while keeping the muzzle pointed DOWN, latch will now snap into place in 3 seconds. The "trick" is that simple -- just read the instructions.
N4KVE
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The funny thing is I think my boss sells so many guns because the people come to his store to watch him flip out. It's part of the show. And when he tells them to FO, 98% still buy the gun, & apologize for asking if we will pay their sales tax. It's quite funny to see. LOL. GARYWow, what's the name of the store so I can make sure to avoid it?
And I worked the business side of a gun counter for years, was the top seller the whole time I was there.. disassembled lots of guns for lots of customers... maybe that's why I sold so many!!!
Ha... I had customers tell me they just came to watch the show too! Same game different angles!!
And there are ALWAYS judgment calls.. I did indeed tell people to FO (nicely of course
).. like the guy asking me for a couple bullets for a Judge just to see if they would fit.. yeah right. Had a full counter at the time.At my LGS they will show how to take down any gun AFTER you buy it. And I don't blame them for doing that. I have seen atleast two different people drop the slides on the floor. I know I would not want to buy those guns after the slides were dropped. One asked if he exchange the slide since it now has a scratch on it, he dropped it not the store owner who was showing him. He did ask before he bought it for them to show him how to take it down. The owner told him that's why we show you after you buy it.
Is it my imagination or are you calling people who are trying to get a little taken off the price to get a better deal morons, AND THEN bragging about how much your boss made? If he's making so much, I say he's asking too much for his guns and anybody who buys them is a moron. You're not making a good case for your side of the counter.
And, in case you weren't aware of what they were really asking, when they asked you to pay the sales tax, they were were asking for you to lower the price of the gun by the amount of the sales tax, then add the sales tax. Why would that cause any problem with paper work for the state? Please tell me you were aware of this.
FYI, I work in Customer service, and have for pretty much all my life, from owning my own business to working in the service industry. Rudeness may be good on TV, but I doubt people come into a store to be belittled and still buy a gun from the guy who's a jerk. I call BS on that.
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N4KVE
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We barely make 10% profit on most of the guns we sell. Yeah, we make more on new models when they first come out, but that doesn't last long when supply catches up with demand. So all dealers pay $440 for a Gen 3 Glock. [not including LE, or military guns which we don't sell] We sell it for $479 which is a 9% markup. Now if we pay the buyer's sales tax, what do we actually make? 3%. 90% of our sales are at gun shows, & many people who ask us to pay their tax tell us "we shouldn't have to charge tax because a gun show is like a flea market, & not a brick & mortar store". Well that may be true if we sold ammo, or beef jerkey, but when we sell regulated items like guns, we do have to collect sales tax to give to the state. Because he sells guns for barely 10% profit, we sell lots of guns, so it's not the heavy mark up, but rather the quantity of guns sold for a small markup. So when we say that Glock is $479, & the guy replies "is that out the door" no, that's plus tax. So now when we quote a price, we say plus tax at the end of the sentence. Just because a few private sellers at the gun show are selling guns w/o collecting tax, or doing background checks doesn't mean we do. We are a licensed business, while the private sellers are not. My boss has been doing this for 30+ years, but he's winding down now. By the way, years ago when I lived south of here, I'd eat lunch at a Chinese restaurant. The food was great, but the big draw was seeing the husband & wife owners constantly argue in Chinese. Lunch was $5, & the show was free. GARY
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your whole tirade (look it up) above is interesting but is irrelevant (look it up). Ammo isn't regulated? Have you looked into being an FFL? I would suggest you look it up a little deeper. You sound like you believe being rude in front of customers is a good idea, regardless of the industry. Being from FL (I'm a native, not a transplant) I find that hard to believe. I suggest you go back to whatever yankee (north of I10) state you came from and peddle your personality and opinions there. Yes, now I'm getting personal because your ideas are clearly inane (look it up) and immature. You can defend whatever opinion you want, but if it's bad for business, your defense is worthless.
Tron,
What are you talking about... the only tirade I see is yours... seems you ought to reread the post above when you wake up from your 2:30am TIRADE...
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