There's been a more than a few threads here about the BG 2.0.

After some minor tinkering (recoil spring, front sight off, etc.), mine is a great little gun that is firmly in my EDC rotation.

What say you, after some months of fixing, carrying, and shooting?

Had mine for 3 months now, love it. Mine had the lower ramp lip/edge which I removed. Also installed an original Bodyguard rear sight. Got 3000 rounds through mine. I have occasional FTFs with my cheap steel cased range ammo, ran several other top brands with no issues. Still waiting for aftermarket support since I like to tinker with my guns.

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I've had zero issues outside of not liking the sights very much, but they serve well enough for the purpose. I'd like to replace the front sight with something less dim and a brighter color...and replace the gigantic rear u-notch.

Although the mags were somewhat of a bear to load for a bit, they do ease up as time goes on. I had a little trouble a time or two getting the recoil spring to seat correctly but not much.

It's in my pocket as I type.

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I don’t own one but I was looking at one with a 101724 date at a LGS the other day.

Seems S&W is using early purchasers as beta testers.

The feed ramp lip was gone, the recoil spring was fixed and the 12 round mag loaded hard but wasn’t impossible to fill.

I've pocket carried a P3AT, LCP Gen1, LCP Custom, LCP Max, and G42 and I would pick my BG 2.0 over all of them by a wide margin. I have approx. 450 rounds through it using WWB 95g FN and Precision One 90gr XTP +P's and it has ran flawlessly.
It's quite a perfect little high capacity package and I had no feed ramp lip or recoil spring issue's.
Muddy River Pocket Holster

Mine is a few months old and I now have 500 trouble free rounds of WWB & 100 rounds of self defense ammo through it.

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Don't want to hijack the thread, but has anyone found an OWB leather holster for the gun? I can't abide kydex and don't do IWB or pocket carry. Been a LEO too long to change now.

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Bill

R. Grizzle is making holsters for the Bodyguard 2.0.
I have 3 of his. They are excellent.

The High County with zero cant (straight pull) is probably the perfect OWB leather holster. Mine is on order.
Check his LEO discount and his expedited service if interested.

I carry mine in a Galco Stinger made for the Ruger LCP Max. It was a bit stretched out from the LCP but it still holds the BG well. A brand new one would probably be a snugger fit.

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I bought my BG2.0, no manual safety, in August. This is the first S&W firearm I’ve purchased. I’ve owned firearms since 1977. On a new firearm, I always field strip, carefully clean and lubricate as directed by the “Safety & Instruction Manual”. I also disassemble the mags, clean and lightly lube them. I discovered the 12-round mag follower defect right away and fixed by trimming off the little point on the follower. Upon reassembly, I also noticed the issue of getting the guide rod spring assembly to seat into the end of the slide. I’ve never experienced that with any firearm I’ve owned. It took me several frustrating attempts before I discovered the cause. After pressing the end of the twisted spring under the guide rod flange with a screwdriver and centering the spring on the guide rod flange it finally seated on the barrel.

The next issue was the amount of grip and pull it took to rack the slide, it was insane! I actually drew blood 3 times getting my finger caught in the ejection port while trying to rack the slide. After about 200 rounds with 3 different bullets, it shot flawlessly. My shots landed low left. I researched more YouTube videos and viewed about 10 more reviews. I saw that my issues were now being posted on multiple independent reviews. One reviewer explained the issue with the design of the trigger safety. It is a thin flat padal and is wider than the trigger. This is a concern for being too easily able to pull the safety against the trigger causing an unintended discharge. I noticed that after about 100 rounds at the range, the sharp edges of the trigger safety caused some unusual pain in my trigger finger. The front sight could be brighter. The rear sight slot allows finding the front sight very quickly. For me, in a sudden close encounter self-defense situation, the first shot or two will most likely be a “point and shoot”.

I called S&W Customer Support and the rep I spoke with offered to send out a new guide rod spring assembly. When I explained the issues I experienced she expressed no empathy and was not interested in my feedback. After 16 days I received it and it’s just like the original one. I noticed there is a photo of a new narrow trigger safety on their website - S&W BODYGUARD 2.0 NTS, SKU# 13927. (I later found out that photo on their website is just a very misleading rendering and NOT the actual trigger.) I called S&W about the narrow padal on the trigger safety and there is no option but to buy another BG2.0. This gun is marketed as a super light pocket carry for self-defense. It’s not for competition, hunting, or range fun. S&W has been manufacturing firearms for 170 years. It is incomprehensible that they could release a firearm strictly designed for self-defense with obvious design defects. Surprisingly, I believe this pistol has been voted “2024 Handgun of the Year” by two different organizations.

The grip with the 12-round mag, texturing, mag release, trigger feel, light weight, short range accuracy, concealability, all make this handgun very comfortable to shoot and pocket carry. At 15.3 ounces with 13 rounds, it is a feature-rich pocket carry option. With the Muddy River Tactical, Kydex custom fit for the BG2.0 pocket holster, it feels very comfortable in my pocket and makes a very safe draw.

However, the oversized trigger safety padal and the trigger pull at 4 lbs. 2.4 ounces, I’m still a little concerned about an accidental discharge. The negative reports on the manual safety and my own experience with manual safety on an EDC makes the manual safety not an option on this pistol. Unfortunately, the amount of force required to rack the slide may eliminate this pocket carry as good choice for some females. Based upon my experience and the many reviews that are published I’m not sure this is the right pocket carry for me. It is very unlikely that I will buy another S&W firearm. As one of the top 5 firearm brands, and the most raved about new handgun, I’m very disappointed in the quality control and design choices of Smith & Wesson, and the lack of quality customer service I experienced.

For great leather 2.0 holsters, try Kusiak Leather. Check out their website and you tube channel. I’ve got both a IWB and OWB and am completely satisfied.

Buddy, I’m the one who posted about the front sight. I ordered my new sight from S&W CS on 10/28, they still have not even shipped the part yet.. god awful customer service which should speak volumes about their operation, considering I’m ordering what should be the easiest part to ship and should be one of their most abundant parts. I couldn’t imagine the wait time for sending an entire firearm to them for repair. Could take a year plus for simple work at their rate. It truly is my last S&W, I’m past the point of being mad about it.. it’s extremely disappointing. Typically if a company lacks in QC they’ll try to make up with service, SW skipped out on both unfortunately.

I've been waiting a month for a guide rod spring assembly. I'll have to call them again.

I've had mine for a couple of months now, and several hundred rounds, both ball and hollow points. No problems. I tend to shoot it low left, but I shoot a lot of small guns low left. I'm convinced it's a "me" problem, not a "gun" problem. Shooting from a bench with my elbows rested results in a POA hit, as does shooting with a laser cartridge. That red dot of laser light, goes straight to the sights.

I had the problem with the recoil spring, but a tip here on the forum taught me to just take a screwdriver and pop the end of the spring under the flange. No big deal and it's just part of the routine now.

The slide was hard to rack at first, but either it broke in, or I got stronger. No more problem. I might rack it 50 times resetting the striker when dry firing with the laser. Again, I don't even think about it anymore.

Same with the mags. They were hard to load, so I used a magazine loader. First an Uplula, then a cheap 3D printed version that was made for the BG-2, that I got off Ebay or about 10 bucks or so. Now I can load the mags by hand, but don't bother too. The mag loaders work just fine and I see no reason to beat my hands up.

The only modification I've done is a Talon Grip. Cheap, easy to install, or take off if I decide I don't like it. So far, it stays.

For a holster, I dug around in my bag O holsters and found an IWB Bianchi Model 100, size 09, originally for a Walther PPK/s that seem to fit the BG2 almost perfectly. A little long, but that's not a big deal to me. I never pocket carry so can't comment on that.

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I bought the BG 2.0 a month or so ago after carrying the Ruger LCP Max for two years. I've shot about 200 rounds through the BG and twice that through the LCP. I've had a few FTF and other anomalies with the BG that could be ammo or something else. The sights had to be drifted over it shot 3" left at 5 yards. The feed ramp looks fine. I have never ever had a single issue with the Max. So right now if I had to pick one to save my life its definitely the Ruger at the moment. Time will tell.

Is there a recent post regarding the trigger-safety? My Search-Fu is weak........

Something about it having been narrowed? Pluses/minuses, or just sumpin' to be aware of?

My trigger safety is same width as trigger, no issues and I’m not sure what the benefit of a narrower one would be if it has been redone.

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The trigger safety on my BG2.0, purchased in August, has a flat paddle trigger safety that extends in width 0.60mm or 0.0235 inches wider than the trigger where the safety will sit when pulled. That is about 6 sheets of common printer/copier paper. The purpose of the trigger safety is simply to reduce the chance of contact with something that would pull the safety against the trigger and cause a possible unintended discharge. This pistol was purchased solely as a pocket carry in a Kydex holster specifically designed for the BG2.0 in a pocket.

What would be the design criteria or logic for that trigger safety?

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My take on the BG 2.0. Finally done with the BG 2.0. Mine worked well for close to 600 rounds, but never cared for the way it ejected. I tried all types of factory ammo (stayed away from wide mouth hollow points) and ejection was erratic to say the least. Some ejected shells landed at my feet, some hit me on the shoulder or top of the head, some ejected to the right a few feet at 3-4:00 and some ejected almost straight forward or 9:00 to the left. I was never comfortable with this as to me that inconsistency was just a short step away from a FTE or other stoppage.

Finally it began somewhere around 650 rounds. Several FTE with different ammo and few FTF. All happened with factory Hornady and American Gunner( FTX and XTP) and Federal Punch. I decided I would shoot FMJ only and tested 100+ rounds of Speer Lawman 90 gr. The crazy ejection seemed a little better but no more failures to feed or eject. Figuring FMJ was the answer, I began to carry the BG 2.0 with 10 rounds of the Lawman ammo. After a week I tested it as carried at the range and no issues. Today (a few weeks later) I again took it to the range in "as carried" condition and ran into a failure to feed on the 3rd round and again a few rounds later. Enough. I simply can not trust this gun as a self defense piece and it's certainly no target or range toy.

My 642 PC goes back in my pocket starting tomorrow. If I feel I may need more than 5 rounds my P365 (2,600 rds, zero malfunctions) will be IWB. Shame, I really wanted to like and carry the 2.0 with confidence but it's a complete no-go for me.

scruffy, it's interesting that you mentioned the crazy ejections. I noticed that today for the first time. Next range day I'll have one of my buddies watch the brass fly.

I went to the range this morning to test some different ammo and put some more rounds through it. Before I went to the range, I did a “plunk test” with 4 different brands, none would pass. At the range the first round in the 10 round mag failed to feed after slapping the slide. It was a Hornady Custom XTP 90 gr. I went through 4 rounds each of Hornady Critical Defense FTX 90 gr., Sig Sauer V-Crown JHP 90 gr., Winchester POX1 Defender, and Bronze FMJ 90 gr. with no issues. My trigger finger was starting to sting after 2 mags. I have not experienced any trigger pain or discomfort in any other firearm I own. I have only had 1 failure to fire at about 500 rounds in my P365 Micro. It was a light strike which I had never seen before. I rechambered it and it fired. It was a MaxxTech 115 gr FMJ. Before cleaning the BG2.0 after the range visit today I did a plunk test with 5 different brands, they all passed.

Next range day I will put another 200 rounds of Federal HST JHP 99 gr, Magtech FMJ 95 gr, and Winchester FMJ 95 gr. I was really wanting the BG2.0 to become my primary pocket EDC. I am very disappointed. For now I’ll stay with my Sig P365 Micro. For my self defense weapon 1 failure is too much.

The photo from S&W website shows a designed trigger safety that is narrower than the trigger and it is recessed into the trigger face eliminating the trigger bite. MUCH better design!

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For the life of me I don't know how a trigger safety as wide as the trigger itself could prevent "something" accidentally engaging the trigger causing an AD. Some object would have to engage the trigger but not the safety? And that will save you? Not likely....

Overall, I’m very happy with mine.
I am going to clip a couple of coils off the magazine springs so I don’t have to use a magazine loader.

Lately I have been disappointed with my 2.0 Mine is a very early model purchased as soon as they were available and I now have 605 rounds through it.
The gun had the lips on the ramp to the slide which I polished off and I also polished the feed ramps as well.
The problem is on my last range trip I fired 40 rounds of ball ammo and got a failure to go into battery on the last round. I really love this gun but I feel I can’t trust it as a carry.
This week I plan on trying to send it back to the mother ship and see what they come up with.or, I will at least speak to a tech and see what they say.
This may sound crazy to some, but lately I’m thinking of reserving this gun for practice and buying another for carry if it passes my test for reliability . (200 flawless rounds of my carry ammo). If it doesn’t pass I will sell both

For sure it’s not a break in thing with 605 rounds through it already.

I feel the same way. Maybe next summer if things improve, I'll pick one up. I'd rather buy something else for the purpose this gun fulfills right now.

If you look at your chamber, I'll bet you'll see tool marks. I used a 10mm carbide impregnated dremel bit to polish the tool marks out and it now chambers any ammo put into it.

As for the narrow trigger paddle, I talked to customer service and he got back to me the next day and said every one that's left the factory has the wide paddle and the photo was not correct.

Hello agksimon,

Are tool marks in a chamber on a brand new gun normal?

I asked my local gunsmith and he said "not passing a plunk test doesn't mean anything". He's the same guy who told my low/left POI is "all me" and has nothing to do with the front and rear sights on my BG2.0.... he examined the gun. He has a condescending tone and appears to be one of those elite experts.

Wow... the photo on their website is extremely misleading! When I spoke to S&W Customer Service, the man implied that I would have to buy a new BG2.0 to get the different trigger shown on their website. He did not want to answer my questions and was not at all informative. As I learn more about S&W, I'm becoming more convinced they need a Trump-like resurrection. Two of my deplorable good friends and very experienced "firearm enthusiasts" suggested I put the BG2.0 back in it's box and forget about it... "chock it up to a bad experience".

Following...does anyone have any updates about a newer trigger? Ome that has a more narrow trigger safety and/or is recessed into the teigger?

If exists would certainly love to get the redesigned version.

I just bought mine yesterday at Sportsman's Warehouse in a shipment that had literally came in the day before - so I assume from whatever stock S&W is shipping out in early to mid November 2024 ...if that is considered getting an early or original version versus a more recent version.

It was also mentioned that the earliest versions had lips on the feed ramp, that the recoil spring had to be adjusted/snapped fully on etc...

Trying to determine what I have...

I don't think I have a recoil spring issue...put about 175 rounds thru it today with Zero issues. 25 of those were even the Hornaday American Gunner hollow points that some other poster said was giving then FTF/FTE issues.
100 rounds were Noesler 95g FMJ range rounds, and 50 of 95g Blazer FMJ's.

Anyhow, was happy with the performance and ergonomics of my new BG 2.0 on my 2nd day of ownership...then registered to this forum and starting reading all the threads and now having doubts if I made a smart purchase or not and if I have an earlier, defective model or a newer model with some of the bugs worked out...☹️

Geezzz klowman... you may have received an "upgraded" model.

From the S&W Customer Service contacts, the trigger in their photo apparently is not what they are selling. It's been about 4 months since the first release. Could S&W have fixed all their design flaws and improved their quality control?

What I do know for sure, is I field stripped the BG 2.0 Saturday and gave it a quick cleaning, had no issues reassembling, and on Sunday put 175 round through with absolutely Zero issues...

Came home and broke it down again for a thorough cleaning and again no issues reassembling.

Even saw on 1 person's YouTube review that he had issues with the 12 rd mag and had to disassemble and clip off a protruding piece of plastic off of the follower...but my 12 rd mag worked great.

So I don't know...I was 100 percent happy with it until I got home and starting reading all the BG 2.0 threads...lol

Hello klowman,

Obviously S&W fixed the well-known 12 round mag follower issue. I am very curious how or if they fixed the spring and guide rod cap issue. Is it possible to post a photo of the end of the guide rod where the spring sits against the guide rod end cap?
As a design reference I’ve attached photos of my P365 Micro guide rod and spring. You can clearly see Sig designed a thin flat washer between the end of the spring and the guide rod end cap. There is no way the end of the spring can slip out to interfere with the guide rod properly seating against the end of the slide as it does with the BG2.0

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This has the best the smoothest shooting, most accurate pocket pistol I have ever owned! I absolutely love this little gun. It might only be a 380, but I can make very accurate shot placement with it. I own several S&W pistols and revolvers. This is my favorite!

I have had zero problems with my early issue 2.0 other than it shoots a little left. I didn’t assume I was buying a target gun.

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Here you go.

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Looks different than mine. An extra coil at the end maybe?

So it looks like S&W has flattened the end of the spring and the first coil that sits up against the guide rod cap is very flat now. That correction will allow the spring to seat into the collar inside the end of the slide.

Thank you for the photos.

Yes, compared to the pics from other forum members, seems like the last 1/2 to 3/4 of the coil twist is flattened out.

I believe the recoil spring assembly pics are from a Sig product. Haven't seen any pics of improved S&W RCS assembly.

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My BG 2.0 has a date 9/17/2024 and I haven't had any RSA issues. This is what my spring look like.

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That is definitely a new and improved version.
My BG2 was purchased early August.

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The trigger dongle is there to prevent a discharge from a muzzle-up drop. It prevents the inertia of the trigger from firing the gun. It would take more than a 'brush' to actually fire the gun.
The smooth trigger face, unlike the dongle on, say a Glock, feels just fine to me.
Moon

UPDATE: January 5, 2025

I bought the BG2 in early August. I have less than 500 rounds through it. SKU 13927 - Box Dated: 073124


I have experienced some of the reported issues out of the box:

- Front and rear sights are NOT aligned properly and commonly shooting low-left.

- 12-round mag with defective follower – hangups up at 3 round

- Mags very difficult or impossible to fully load

- Fully loaded mags cause failure to feed when installed with the slide closed

- Extremely difficult to rack

- Some bullet style ammo will not feed properly

- Defective 2-stage feed ramps that need ridges removed and polished

- Defective spring assembly preventing guide rod to be seated in the end of the slide

- Parts following off or parts completely missing

My experience with S&W Customer Service, regarding the Spring Assembly/Guide rod and the 12-round mag follower, was very unprofessional with no empathy and obviously did not care about my feedback.

Yesterday I shot Magtech FMJ, PCM Bronze FMJ, Sig V-Crown JHP, Hornady Critical Defense FTX, Hornady Custom XTP, Hornady FTX, Federal HST Personal Defense JHP, and Winchester PDX1 JHP, with ZERO failures. I have not tried Winchester 95 gr FMJ Flat Nose.

I would have preferred a bright green front sight. The wide rear sight slot is OK for me for a defense situation. For practicing at the range, a narrower slot would be better for POA at beyond 5 yards. I painted the top of the rear sight with bright white fingernail polish to see if I helps my old eyes to find the rear sight quicker. I would also prefer a blade style trigger safety. The flat padal trigger safety is wider than the trigger. I still need to correct the front and rear sight alignment. When I get to about 1000 rounds with zero failures this will most likely be my preferred CC and EDC in my pocket with a Muddy River Tactical kydex holster.

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For general interest I'm wondering about the history of "issues" this model has with the production time frame.

Purely from various posts it sounds as if the feed ramp ridge and the recoil spring assembly might be fixed sometime around October of 2024. Some seem to still have trouble with mis-aligned sights right up to today.

If posters could post their build date or date of included cartridge along with their issues, it would be interesting to see if any improvement are being made by S&W. OR not!!

S&W sent me a new guide rod that works perfectly and the customer service person was very courteous.
I replaced the front and rear sights to what I like and it shoots right to POA.
I removed the bumps from the feed ramps and it now feeds everything.
I use a slide racker to assist these 80 year old hands.
Using a Maglula, I can fully load all my magazines.
I can load a magazine into a closed slide by really pushing hard on it and the gun fires and loads fine.
I fixed the magazine problem by clipping and sanding the bottom of the followers on all six of my magazines.

In spite of the problems it came with, I was able to rectify all of them and fully trust my life with it. Even Underwood Xtreme Defender has been foolproof since loading them with two points of contact going into the chamber.

Thanks for the info.

What front and rear sights did you go with?

Also, what do you mean by “since loading them with two points of contact going into the chamber”? That wasn’t happening before?

Sights are now available for the BG2.0.

Two points of contact on the feed ramp by loading the rounds with two high points downward toward the mag follower, see photo.

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UPDATE: 02-13-2025

At purchase: The gun store and range only had one available in early August. It had no thumb safety and had been shot in their in-range “gun rental” program. The range armorer had worked on the chamber feed ramp. It appears it was polished. The narrow pre-ramp did not have the ridge that has been identified on other posts.

Guide Rod Spring Assembly: Since “gunsmithing” the spring on the guide rod by removing the spring and cutting off 3/8” of the twisted end of top of the spring and cutting off 3/8” of the bottom end of the spring, the issue of inserting the guide rod spring assembly is fixed.

Magazine: I still cannot fully load the 10 or 12-round mags, so I’m running with one less. On the first range day with it, I had one issue with a 12-round mag with 11 rounds and attempting pop the mag into a closed slide. I'm waiting for a MagGuts kit.

Ammo: I have less than 200 rounds and have had zero issues with Winchester PDX1 Defender BJHP, Sig Elite JHP, Hornaday XTP & FTX, Federal HST JHP, PMC FMJ, Magtech FMJ, and Winchester Flat Nose. I will not run Underwood Xtreme Defender type ammo.

Slide Rack: Modifying the guide rod spring has helped to lower the grip and force required to rack the slide. Adding a Talon Grip to the rear of the slide made a big difference.

Sights: I have drifted the front sight to partially correct the low/left. After bench testing the POI at 7 yards it is now about 2” left and 1” low. I will drift the front sight just a tad more and bench test again.

Aftermarket Guide Rod: I tried the Galloway Precision SS -10%, but it did not allow the slide to move fully forward (battery) with spring pressure and it did not appear to lessen the force to rack the slide. I'm sticking with my modified factory guide rod.

To certify this to be my RAT (Reliable And Trustworthy) pocket carry. I will put about 300 more rounds through it. If I have zero failures, I will “certify” it.

I really like this handgun. It’s small size, light weight, round capacity, grip, and feel in my hand makes this my first choice for a highly concealable and comfortable pocket carry defense firearm.

The only thing I'd be concerned with in cutting the recoil spring is the power of the ammo pushing the slide into the frame with such force as to eventually cause damage to the frame.

Hmmm... I'm trying to understand the physics of what you are describing. The actual amount of spring that I cut off is minimal. If it reduced the kinetic energy created by a locked back slide, springs fully compressed, then energy absorbed by the frame from the mass of the forward moving slide would be less - not more. With that thinking, then the Galloway guide rod could be a concern at a -10%.

Is my thinking all wrong?